Why are you so pround to pay to be treated as a colony by the f... general governor?

[S.C. Joe]

I am not say so either, England is letting Canada pretty much live like they feel but its England stake on this side of the world, I can't see England just wiping its hands of it...the USA had to go to war with England in the past.


Edit...England has been around for what like over 800 years, it is likely still be around 800 more years. It is not just going to give up land, if anything it likely have more land 800 years from now.

Maybe the USA will fall to England someday.

 

[S.C. Joe]

Wow, this lady is more powerful than I knew

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom

Elizabeth is resident in and most directly involved with the United Kingdom, her oldest realm; part of her lineage traces through the royal houses of England, Wessex, and Scotland for over 1500 years. She ascended the thrones of seven countries in February 1952, on the death of her father King George VI. In addition to the United Kingdom, Elizabeth II is also Queen of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Grenada, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Belize, Antigua and Barbuda, and Saint Kitts and Nevis, in each of which she is represented by a Governor-General. The 16 countries of which she is Queen are known informally and unofficially as Commonwealth realms; their combined population, including dependencies, is over 129 million, and their total land area makes Elizabeth one of only a few monarchs to reign over parts of every continent on earth. In theory her powers are vast; however, in practice (and in accordance with convention), she rarely intervenes in political matters.

 

[Aardvark154]

So quite what is the point of those who on TERB advocate abolishing the Canadian Monarchy?

Is it because you hate the monarchy because you would like to undue M. le Marquis de Vaudreuil-Cavagnal's surrender of Nouvelle-France to Lord Amherst? Of course this also is to ignore all the changes in Metropolitan France since then in such little matters as the French Revolution, the overthrow of French Monarchy, French Anti-Clericalism etc. . . as well as the fact that until Général de Gaulle France could have given a fig for it’s former colony.

Is it because of the Prorogation of Parliament? If so how would the result have been any different with a president under a republican system of government such as in Germany, Italy or Israel?

Or rather is that you really want to undue the entire Canadian system of government and make over Canada in the image of Modern France or even the U.S.?

 

[Aardvark154]

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot

Well both M.F.M.I. Robespierre and V.I. “Lenin tried that. Other that an effusion of innocent blood pray tell me what was the result?

 

[hoser1970]

Canada likely could not get rid of England and the Queen if it wanted to. Might take a war, who has more arms?

Ok, Mazingerz will lead the charge!

Oh............wait...............I forgot..............the French don't fight anymore ..........since about 1940.............they just surrender and wait for the English/Canadians/Americans/Australians to save their ass.

England is letting Canada pretty much live like they feel but its England stake on this side of the world, I can't see England just wiping its hands of it...the USA had to go to war with England in the past.

Sorry S.C. Joe, this is not very realistic. I understand the historical reference, but it is really sad to hear ANY American suggest that this would/could remotely be the outcome IF Canada decided to go it alone. IF Canada democratically decided to leave the Commonwealth, there would be no repeat of Paul Revere's ride....(ie) THE BRITISH ARE COMING! THE BRITISH ARE COMING! Regretably, all your comment does is reinforce the beliefs of many Canadians (and other non-Americans) that the average U.S. citizen has no concept of the world at large!

I don't mean to sound patinizing to you or ANY American (I have close relatives who live in the U.S.) but c'mon!

I also don't mean to belittle the French with my earlier comment, but let's face it, Mazingerz is a jerk and had it coming! How this piece of lint (or anyone else like him) can DARE to act so condescendingly towards Canada, citing the superiority of FRANCE, is beyond me! Without Canada (and England, and the U.S. and Australia) his relatives in France would still be starting out each day with "Sieg Heil".

 

[S.C. Joe]

I don't know...they put up a fight against the USA. Maybe times are different today. I like to see it happen and Europe reaction, just seems like Canada is too much to just let go of with no fight. (all the oil and gas, plus the amount of land)

Just cause today the Queen is a level headed person and allows the 16 countries to be 99% free you could say doesn't mean it could not change later on after she dies. Even hundreds of years from now.

BTW...I am one of those "nuts" who still believe Princess Diana death was to stop her from having any more "royal children" to keep full control of the "family". (so keep that in mind ha ha)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_in_Canada



Finance

The sovereign only draws from Canadian coffers for support in the performance of her duties when in Canada or acting as Queen of Canada abroad; Canadians do not pay any money to the Queen, either towards personal income or to support royal residences outside of Canada. This applies equally to other members of the Royal Family.[19] Normally, tax dollars pay only for the costs associated with the Governor General and ten Lieutenant-Governors in the exercise of the powers of the Crown, including travel, security, residences, offices, ceremonies, and the like.



The provincial and federal governments keep records of expenditures associated with the Crown, but no official report on the full cost of the monarchy is compiled. Every three years, the Monarchist League of Canada issues a survey, based on the various federal and provincial budgets, expenditures and estimates, that outlines a yearly cost for the functioning of the Crown. The 2005 survey found that the institution cost Canadians roughly $49 million in 2004.[20] Previous surveys found that the overall cost of the Canadian Crown was $22 million in 1999,[21] and $34 million in 2002.[19][22] (This does not take into account the inflation of the Canadian Dollar over these years.)

 

[S.C. Joe]

Regretably, all your comment does is reinforce the beliefs of many Canadians (and other non-Americans) that the average U.S. citizen has no concept of the world at large!

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True, I might sound like a "nut" but then name one country who has "left".

Look at Russia and Chechnya...do you see Russia letting go, nope.

These world powers are super strong, even today...they might act all democratically most of the time but when a place like Chechnya decided the break off with Russia what happen, a war broke out.

What I think would happen is Europe would some how stop the vote to break off, somehow- someway cause yes if a vote was past by the people of Canada it be very hard for Europe to do anything about it. So what ever it took to make Canada change its mind and to not to vote breaking away they get.


Like I said, I love to see and watch it happen, not only just Canada but those other 15 countries. Say we don't need you, good bye but so far none has... has it ever happen ...your right I don't know history too well. I do understand thou that England is the most powerful force in the world thou, in terms of time, land. Maybe China has been around longer but England has more land across the world.

I am letting go of this now, cause I am in over my head, lol.

 

[hoser1970]

Hi Joe
S.C. Joe

Hopefully this will help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations

For the record, I do not think you are a "nut", just somewhat misinformed. However, I do truly appreciate your reasoned response to my previous post...you did not become defensive or abusive, as has become more and more common of late (from some Terbites). As I said previously, I meant no disrespect to you or your fellow countrymen. Your response demonstrates you are open to new ideas and concepts and I commend you on that!

P.S. I don't completely dismiss your theory on the death of Diana, Princess of Wales; I do believe that the Royal Family (especially Charles), wished she would just disappear! If she had not died, it is doubtful that he would have been able to re-marry, and still remain heir to the throne.

 

[WinterHawk]

The Queen has no direct input and influence in the affairs of the Canadian government. The last real and direct influence in Canadian internal affairs was when our constitution was brought back in 1982? Prior to that it was 1937 when Canada ceased to be a colony and had full powers over her foreign affairs, make treaties, declare war, etc.

Canada is a nation born in an orderly, reasoned manner once she was ready to take her place as an independant country. While many countries like the US are born in blood and violence.

When Canadians moved to open out the West, they were greated by the NWMP(RCMP) and the militia. The law went in first, hence our belief in LAW, ORDER and Good Government.

What other country could make such a claim?

As for trying to assimulate the French in Quebec, why bother? In today's world, such tribalism is on the way out.

 

[alex52]

I don't know why this discussion is getting so heated.
The average person in Britian doesn't even know the queen is head of state in canade and nor do they care.

 

[WinterHawk]

I don't know why this discussion is getting so heated.
The average person in Britian doesn't even know the queen is head of state in canade and nor do they care.

This has very little to do with the average person in Britian. This has everything to do with Canada, our history, our traditions, our values and our future.

 

[happywanderer]

will someone please tell us what assermentation means?

Kidding all aside, this has gone on far too long and should be put to bed (hello Sheik, or anyone). We have the pros and cons here ranting back and forth about something that will not probably go away in our lifetime... or even in our grandchildren's lifetime. The stupidity that flows from some people shouldn't be given anymore "air" even if they feel that its somehow apart of our "national well-being" to allow them to utter their spew.

Let's close this thread knowing that many of us will never agree. Commonwealth versus Republic versus Socialist Utopia... whatever folks. We have bigger fish to fry these days other than who is being treated like a serf.

 

[thompo69]

I don't know...they put up a fight against the USA. Maybe times are different today. I like to see it happen and Europe reaction, just seems like Canada is too much to just let go of with no fight. (all the oil and gas, plus the amount of land)

Too much to "let go of" with no fight? They already let go. We share a monarch, that's the extent of our connection now.

 

[Bobzilla]

You can dream but never we will be anglophone. It is 300 yers you try and fail. I know. Your arrogeance don't accept this but you should accept. Quebec will be francophone for ever. Ooooh yeah my friend.

But if I take your argument, we all should be spanish because the very very most part of america is spanish.

Entonces, mi amigo, vas deber comenzar a aprender el español, la futura lengua de todo el América según tu argumento. ¿Esto te agrada? Estoy seguro que sí

Wow, you are an incredible hypocrite. THE FRENCH LOST. The English could have kicked them all out of Quebec & the rest of Canada. The diluted remnant of French culture you are clinging to so desperately was graciously granted to you by the English, and you have the nerve to insult them for it. Your language is mocked by your mother country as provincial and uncouth, instead of invested with their tradition, so it's no wonder you can't accept that Canada maintains British tradition.

And in addition to ESL & history, you need a geography book too. The Spanish never colonized Canada.

 

[LancsLad]

You can dream but never we will be anglophone. It is 300 yers you try and fail. I know. Your arrogeance don't accept this but you should accept. Quebec will be francophone for ever. Ooooh yeah my friend.

But if I take your argument, we all should be spanish because the very very most part of america is spanish.

Entonces, mi amigo, vas deber comenzar a aprender el español, la futura lengua de todo el América según tu argumento. ¿Esto te agrada? Estoy seguro que sí

I blame Wolfe's men.


They could have and should have , finished the job.



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