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Who would you vote for Mayor of Toronto?

Who will you vote for?


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fuji

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The ratio of staff salaries to fares is r correct metric. Guess what? The Scarborough subway will have way more salary than fare for the foreseeable future.
 

Lovehobby

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It's not THE left wing argument. It's A left wing argument. And not the best one at that.

I think it could be more easily argued (maybe) that we should all be chipping in more, and that the rich should probably be chipping in more than the rest of us.. But to declare that the rich should simply look after the rest of us (or exclusively bear the burden of any additional tax needs) is short sighted. It does nothing to sway anybody on the fence over the issues of taxation.
The poor have no money. The middle class is tapped out totally. The rich have made out like bandits for 30 years. The services are required. Therefore if the rich will not pay the capital expenditure, no transit. Transit is a HUGE service to business delivering their workers and customers to their doorstep. Give them the bill.
 

Lovehobby

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The union types hate subways. The unions love and are pushing busses, streetcars and LRTs as they require more drivers, more maintenance, generally much more union labor to run and maintain. The TTC guys out cleaning the outdoor streetcar tracks and lines are paid $45/hour plus benefits & pension.

Chow is buying the union vote when she is pushing more busses and the LRT. How popular would this decision be if she also said the cleaning and maintenance for these busses would be done by private contractors. Chow is redirecting money intended for infrastructure to buy union labor and their vote.
The planners with a 3 digit IQ look at riders/kilometer/$$$. In this formulation LRT type trains are your best and most efficient investment. I rode these trains in Bordeaux and Orleans in France. fabulous.
 

Lovehobby

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If Chow is winning on this testosterone soaked conservative board, she has this thing in the bag.
 

dirk076

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No, you're generally a boring people, thus not very funny, Rob really got you some airtime….

And it's probably worth noting that Jon's show is a US show and most American's couldn't name 3 Canadian Pols - Harper and Ford probably being the only two.
It really is too bad that Americans do not know more about the world around them. Had they had greater knowledge of the outside world they probably would not have elected a guy that Putin routinely outmanoeuvres and humiliates.
 

AdamH

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The poor have no money. The middle class is tapped out totally. The rich have made out like bandits for 30 years. The services are required. Therefore if the rich will not pay the capital expenditure, no transit. Transit is a HUGE service to business delivering their workers and customers to their doorstep. Give them the bill.
Obviously the poor have no money. The middle class isn't tapped out, that's a fallacy. The rich can certainly afford to pay more (and they should), there's no doubt about it.

However, even if you were right, how well is the argument going for your side of things? I hear that "Occupy" protest is really did well (what font should one use for sarcasm?). You need a better strategy. Constantly lambasting the rich just makes you sound jealous (which I'm sure you're not), and it detracts from what might be a very legitimate argument about inequality.
 

omegaphallic

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If Chow is winning on this testosterone soaked conservative board, she has this thing in the bag.
Maybe she's got the Stripper and Escort votes all sown up ;D

On a more serious note John Tories campaign is so sad that Rogers all but begged thier employees to attend his rally. Just sad.

And the Union hate on this board is irrationally, Unions are the foundation the middle class is founded on and trying to turn worker against worker is loathsomes and disgusting.
 

blackrock13

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The planners with a 3 digit IQ look at riders/kilometer/$$$. In this formulation LRT type trains are your best and most efficient investment. I rode these trains in Bordeaux and Orleans in France. fabulous.

Trying to draw parallels with the French system is a joke, they don't have to deal with the weather conditions we do in TO. The parameters are completely different.
 

AdamH

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Trying to draw parallels with the French system is a joke, they don't have to deal with the weather conditions we do in TO. The parameters are completely different.
Munich has virtually identical weather conditions to Toronto. They also enjoy all forms of transit (bus, tram, lrt, subway, etc.,.). LRT run on a different mechanism than streetcars due. They will not get stuck nearly as much (in fact no more than uncovered portions of regular subway).

Calgary's conditions are much worse than Toronto's. They also employ LRT. So does Edmonton.
 

fuji

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Would not build any infrastructure or make any improvements if the payoff had to be immediate.
The Scarborough subway will not attract viable ridership during its lifetime. It will be replaced before ridership exceeds what an LRT can carry and never approach ridership sufficient justify it's operating costs. It will be expensive to operate and drain city funds for a while generation.

It's a boondoggle. No private firm would ever fund something this financially ruinous. If I approved a project like that at my work not only would I be fired on the spot, I would have a hard time finding another job.

It's that pathetic.
 

fuji

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Sure, why bother with elections. Let the city staff figure stuff out, tell us the cost and how we are going to pay.
For many things that really would be better. Boondoggles like this are about pandering, not delivering an efficient service. Sometimes it really is best to keep the politicians out of the process.
 

Butler1000

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Munich has virtually identical weather conditions to Toronto. They also enjoy all forms of transit (bus, tram, lrt, subway, etc.,.). LRT run on a different mechanism than streetcars due. They will not get stuck nearly as much (in fact no more than uncovered portions of regular subway).

Calgary's conditions are much worse than Toronto's. They also employ LRT. So does Edmonton.
Calgary and Edmonton don't have nearly the population levels of Toronto. Nor do they have the same growth rates. Apples and oranges.

Munich has multiple systems. No one is saying that's bad. But this city is underserviced for subway for its population and growth. We need more.
 

fuji

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Calgary and Edmonton don't have nearly the population levels of Toronto. Nor do they have the same growth rates. Apples and oranges.

Munich has multiple systems. No one is saying that's bad. But this city is underserviced for subway for its population and growth. We need more.
But we need it on routes people actually take. A smart, non political approach would be to build out subway along the routes that have the highest ridership. The SS would never get built under that rule.
 

groggy

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Calgary and Edmonton don't have nearly the population levels of Toronto. Nor do they have the same growth rates. Apples and oranges.

Munich has multiple systems. No one is saying that's bad. But this city is underserviced for subway for its population and growth. We need more.
Its all about the population density of the neighbourhoods.
Building subways in areas without high density is a bad idea, and as has been shown with our existing subways, just building subways won't start those changes.
 

Polaris

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Its all about the population density of the neighbourhoods.
Building subways in areas without high density is a bad idea, and as has been shown with our existing subways, just building subways won't start those changes.
Its all about the population density of the neighbourhoods.

This is what this election is about.

The inner city against the suburbs. The downtown elite against the Joe Blow.

Subways for Yonge Street and downtown, and not for Scarborough.

600,000 people live in Scarborough, and how many subway stops they have?

Are we not interested in fairness? Just preserving own interests at the expense of others.

Subways, cut the gravy, tax cuts, that is what this election is all about.
 

groggy

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Its all about the population density of the neighbourhoods.

This is what this election is about.

The inner city against the suburbs. The downtown elite against the Joe Blow.

Subways for Yonge Street and downtown, and not for Scarborough.

600,000 people live in Scarborough, and how many subway stops they have?

Are we not interested in fairness? Just preserving own interests at the expense of others.

Subways, cut the gravy, tax cuts, that is what this election is all about.

Is that sarcasm, Polaris?
Or are you really arguing that its unfair not to put subways everywhere, regardless of how much they cost or how much they would be used?
 

Polaris

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Yep. No poor people downtown.
What's your point? We got more subways stops than anyone else in this city.

Gee ... does the TTC receive any money from city council ... um ... where does city council get the money, like taxes, maybe some from Scarborough.

Scarborough deserves shit all is all I can what the downtowners are saying.

That is wrong.
 
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