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Who would you consider to be the best athlete of all time ?

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Tuff question to answer as so many variables.

Surprise no mention of Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky
AGree with most of what you say. The only thing I would argue is that I dont think this drive, heart, determination, strength to go on is necessarily unique to those elite athletes. I think its quite possible that lesser athletes possess those same attributes to the very same levels but maybe they cannot reach the elite levels b/c they come up short in other areas such as size, athleticism, talent, etc.

We always hear how Jordan was such a great competitor and everything and I dont doubt that for one bit but I think its quite possible that there may have been even journeyman basketball players who had equal desire, drive, heart as Jordan but just didnt have the talent and thats why they were journeyman and not superstars. But those players arent always gonna get the credit for having the drive/heart etc because those players just arent gonna get talked about or praised as much as the elite athletes. But maybe some of those journeyman players dont even make it to the league without that incredible drive, determination, heart etc. In otherwords what I am saying is I dont think that GREAT determination, drive, heart etc is something that is exclusive or unique to those with immense talent/skill/athleticism and the elite athletes.

These types of things like fire, heart, determination arent always easily quantifiable attributes either so its somewhat subjective. And I think sometimes these qualities are easier to see in certain athletes than others. But just because it may be more difficult to see in some athletes doesnt necessarily mean they arent there. For example - a guy playing offensive tackle may not get the glory and its hard to really see the fire in their eyes because lets be honest - we dont see their eyes as much as we may see the eyes of a QB or a WR but just because its harder to see doesnt mean it isnt there.
curious on your thoughts.

my apologies if you already posted your 2 cents but who do you see as greatest athlete?
 

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curious on your thoughts.

my apologies if you already posted your 2 cents but who do you see as greatest athlete?
Truthfully - I don't believe I am anywhere near qualified to say who the greatest athlete of all time is. For a few reasons:

a) In order to truly make a fair evaluation I would need to be familiar with the great athletes in every sport. Not just know their names but actually have seen them play. I cannot honestly say that I am a guy that follows every sport under the sun. I follow football, basketball, tennis. That's about it. So for that reason I cannot make a fair evaluation on this.

b) I am in my mid 30s - so clearly there are plenty of great athletes that I never saw play with my own eyes. I am not a stats guy and refuse to reduce players to numbers so I cannot judge those athletes before my time purely based on numbers.

c) I have a hard time comparing athletes from different sports. Heck, comparing athletes from different eras in the SAME sport is hard enough. At least I find it a very difficult task. But I am sure there are a people far more intelligent than myself that find this a less difficult task and can actually answer the question.

So for me this is an impossible question to answer. More accurately - I am nowhere near qualified to answer it in my opinion.
 

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But I am sure there are a people far more intelligent than myself that find this a less difficult task and can actually answer the question.
Disagree. This...
Impossible to answer.
Period.

c) I have a hard time comparing athletes from different sports. Heck, comparing athletes from different eras in the SAME sport is hard enough. At least I find it a very difficult task.So for me this is an impossible question to answer.
Agree.
Impossible to answer.
for anyone, not just you.
 

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Maybe the question should have been.....
Best athlete/ most dominant Athlete of their generation?

Simply because no one can say.....
Gretzky would have flourished in the 40 or 50's or even 60's.. against the likes of Horton on defence...or being pounded every night by Howe in the corners muckin for the Puck not to mention the head hunting that went on back in the day....

Could Babe Ruth competed in todays MLB? as a hitter no way...back in the day pitchers were out there for the whole game...some pitched double headers....how many Hr did Ruth hit from the 6th inning on? when the pitcher was into the 80-90 pitch range? pitching on 2 or 3 days rest? or throwing in the back end of a double header after finishing the first game

Jim Brown in todays Chuck and duck offences or west coast style...he wouldnt get the ball as many times as he would have in his Era...Plus he played against Linebackers and safeties who were ..most of the time smaller than him...Today ...fricken some Kickers are bigger than him during his playing days.....

And the list can go on and on...
Some geek could probably do a simulated season or something on a computer...ALA deadliest Warrior ..but really...no one knows....
 

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I dunno if I would call him the greatest ATHLETE (sorry, images of John Goodman come to mind). However, he had amazing talent and was a true natural.

What about Noel Ryan?
Nolan Ryan is not even a top 10 pitcher of all time.

Baby Ruth was the greatest hitter of all time.
 

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While people slag on baseball players I contend that elite shortstops are some of the best athletes in the world.
 

maurice93

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Totally disagree. They are strictly endurance athletes.

Strength, eye/hand co-ordination, absorbing punishing blows, reflexes, quickness/sprinting speed,....none of these come into play. Amazing endurance in several disciplines, sure, but not all round athletes.
Agreed. Endurance should not be the key component to a great athlete. I need skill to be a critical attribute.
 

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curious on your thoughts.

my apologies if you already posted your 2 cents but who do you see as greatest athlete?
Spartacus by far, he sure didn't get paid like athletes of today, he had no choice in entreating the people of those days in the coliseum . If the legend
is true, he is by far the best athlete, even though it was ancient history.

xo amber
 

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Jim Brown in todays Chuck and duck offences or west coast style...he wouldnt get the ball as many times as he would have in his Era...Plus he played against Linebackers and safeties who were ..most of the time smaller than him...Today ...fricken some Kickers are bigger than him during his playing days.....
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At 6'2 and 232LB's that is still a fair size even by today's standards Thumper.

Let's not forget in his era there was very little information available about nutrition and weight training was actually looked down upon a performance enhancer. They used to think it would make the athlete ''muscle bound'' and hinder athletic ability,lol.

He was also quite adept at catching balls out of the backfield. Just read his career stats. Simply amazing!

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowJi00.htm
 

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He was also quite adept at catching balls out of the backfield. Just read his career stats. Simply amazing!

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowJi00.htm
Interesting. Thanks for that info!

As I said in an earlier post he was before my time and I was curious about his skills as a receiver out of the backfield & pass-pro skills. If anyone here did watch him play I wouldnt mind hearing about his pass-pro/blitz-pro skills.
 

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John Kruk.

No, wait a second, he wasn't an athlete, he was a baseball player...
 
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Jim Thorpe for sure because the many sports he played at an excellent level.

Honourable mention, Brian Budd, SuperStars kicked him off show because he won 3 in a row, he was toooo good.
 

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Here's another talented athlete, Wilt Chamberlain. He dominated and retired at a young age, if I recall.
I was going to say Wilt since he was a two sport star. How many thousands of pussies did he fuck? Now that is a world class sexual athlete.
 

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Here's another talented athlete, Wilt Chamberlain. He dominated and retired at a young age, if I recall.
The sport was in its infancy, lack of competition and the rules were to his advantage. Jordan was the better athlete and the greatest Ball player according to his accolades. I think Jordan is probably the best. Keep in mind how hard it is to make it pro in the NBA compared to other leagues.
 

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If the standard is statistical domination, the answer is Gretzky. If the standard is all-around (multi-sport/multi talents) athletic ability, it has to be some decathlete (Bruce Jenner?). If the standard is worldwide recognition/ status the answer is Muhammad Ali
Not a hockey fan and am not into stats so I cannot comment on Wayne but for the sake of discussion I do know that Don Hutson also was statistically dominant based on docs I have watched on NFL Network. Whether he was more/less statistically dominant than Wayne I have no idea but if we are not discriminating by era Hutson was certainly STATISTICALLY dominant.
 
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