Who is a fault? Advanced light runners after the advance has ended

[Jenesis]

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Who is in the wrong here?

A) the car turning left
B) the SUV going straight

Now I think it is the car because their advanced was clearly done. But apparently the internet is in an uproar and saying the SUV driver is at fault for yielding to car. What do you think?

 

[Jenesis]

Maybe I misunderstood the video but I didn't see a red light runner. I saw an advanced turn signal that ended and the flow through traffic had a green light. The guy who was hit was trying to take the advance turn signal but very late. The guy turning left was at fault, 100%.

My bad. Sorry. The left car is not a “red light” runner. Sorry. Sometimes the advanced goes red but I can’t say that for sure with this video. I will edit. Thanks.

 

[pusher69]

All 3 cars are at fault to some extent. The insurance companies don't care anymore about assigning percentages.
The SUV that has the green light must ensure the intersection is clear before entering and hitting the car making the left..
The car turning left is at partial fault for entering the intersection while the light was likely not green for a left anymore and didn't want to wait.
The 3rd car making a right is 100% at fault for failing to yield as they do not have the right of way in this instance.

 

[LTO_3]

Although the car "turning & running the intersection" after the advanced light is gone is technically at fault - be honest we all do it - but the SUV in fact speeds up going thru the light. The greater fault (although both are at fault) is the SUV driver because he/she should have slowed down to let the car make the turn even if though the advanced light is gone.

LTO_3

 

[Ginomore]

Both cars turning are at fault.
SUV had green light and the right of way.

 

[IM469]

I am going to make an assumption that the traffic light is working correctly. It is highly unlikely the solid green occurred when the light was still flashing for the left turning vehicle (easy for cops to prove).

The left turn car hadn't even entered the intersection when the solid green light gave the car waiting the 'Go' signal. It is reasonable to assume that the car with the right of way (going straight) interpreted the advancement of the turning car as positioning for an eventual left turn as the signals indicate a clearing of the intersection for a new cycle.

However the left turn car is one of those fucking assholes that intentionally runs the signal hoping that oncoming cars will wait as finishes his turn with some smug attitude that he is better than everyone else.

So in my court - left hand turn asshole is guilty of running the light, reckless endangerment and being an asshole. Obviously he shouldn't drive again so life imprisonment without parole. This will also stop him from breeding genetically arrogant children - the existing ones to be sold into an iPhone production line. If the wife is hot, she should serve as my concubine to learn the difference between assholes and gentlemen. This sentence to be 10 years or gaining 30 lbs - whichever occurs first.

Court adjourned.

Yes I'm having a bit of a bad day - why do you ask ?

 

[shack]

Maybe I misunderstood the video but I didn't see a red light runner. I saw an advanced turn signal that ended and the flow through traffic had a green light. The guy who was hit was trying to take the advance turn signal but very late. The guy turning left was at fault, 100%.

People who try to sleaze in after the advanced green are a pet peeve of mine and I try to screw them over when I have an opportunity to do so, safely.

HOWEVER, in this case, the SUV driver is in the wrong. I believe that it is the Highways Traffic Act but don't quote me on that.

The rules, as they are written, say that a driver may enter an intersection "if the way is clear". Clearly the way was NOT clear, even if the SUV obviously and legally had the right of way. The "if the way is clear" overrides having the "right of way". Basically they are saying that even if somebody is not following the rules of the road, that does not give somebody else the right to ram them. That is what happened here. The SUV could see that the car was making their turn and should have stopped. He never even hit the brakes.

If the car driver got hurt, I don't feel sorry for them. Pretty sure that they won't pull that stunt again.

 

[shack]

I am going to make an assumption that the traffic light is working correctly. It is highly unlikely the solid green occurred when the light was still flashing for the left turning vehicle (easy for cops to prove).

The left turn car hadn't even entered the intersection when the solid green light gave the car waiting the 'Go' signal. It is reasonable to assume that the car with the right of way (going straight) interpreted the advancement of the turning car as positioning for an eventual left turn as the signals indicate a clearing of the intersection for a new cycle.

However the left turn car is one of those fucking assholes that intentionally runs the signal hoping that oncoming cars will wait as finishes his turn with some smug attitude that he is better than everyone else.

So in my court - left hand turn asshole is guilty of running the light, reckless endangerment and being an asshole. Obviously he shouldn't drive again so life imprisonment without parole. This will also stop him from breeding genetically arrogant children - the existing ones to be sold into an iPhone production line. If the wife is hot, she should serve as my concubine to learn the difference between assholes and gentlemen. This sentence to be 10 years or gaining 30 lbs - whichever occurs first.

Court adjourned.

Yes I'm having a bit of a bad day - why do you ask ?

Morally and ethically you are correct, however legally, read my post just below yours.

From the drivers' hand book.

When you approach an intersection on a main road, and the intersection is blocked with traffic, stop before entering the intersection and wait until the traffic ahead moves on.

It was a steady line of cars making left turns with very little room between them. It was not "stopped traffic" but it was blocked with a steady stream of traffic. There was no room for the SUV to get between them and the SUV did not even attempt to slow down. He just plowed through.

 

[Jenesis]

Morally and ethically you are correct, however legally, read my post just below yours.

From the drivers' hand book.

When you approach an intersection on a main road, and the intersection is blocked with traffic, stop before entering the intersection and wait until the traffic ahead moves on.

It was a steady line of cars making left turns with very little room between them. It was not "stopped traffic" but it was blocked with a steady stream of traffic. There was no room for the SUV to get between them and the SUV did not even attempt to slow down. He just plowed through.

But was the inspection blocked by the car when it was not even in the intersection yet. It looked to me like he let the one car go after the green and then entered the intersection. Then a millisecond later, the car enters the intersection?????

 

[Jenesis]

I think both are at fault.

The light turned green, so the SUV was right in moving ahead. Similarly, for the car turning left, the light must have turned red. However, it is understood, that while turning left, you can still complete the turn even if the light is red, if you are half way through the turn when that switch happens. I think that is what happened. He tried to complete the turn, while the guy in the SUV used his right of way to move ahead.

A little patience on both sides would have avoided this.

Watch again.

1 car went through with the left on the green of the SUV. Then the car that got hit went though. It was the second car to do the left after they lost their advanced.

 

[The Oracle]

The guy turning left is way late and was pushing his luck thinking the on coming traffic would yield.

SUV dude didn't yield...Don't know what he was thinking.

Both are at fault.

I never make that late left unless there isn't any traffic coming. And I make damn sure.

 

[thumper18474]

There is always a 2-3 second delay from advanced green to a full green for that direction
Same with the SUV direction ..they don't change simultaneously..there is always a delay..just to try and prevent assholes like them doing exactly what they did.

 

[shack]

But was the inspection blocked by the car when it was not even in the intersection yet. It looked to me like he let the one car go after the green and then entered the intersection. Then a millisecond later, the car enters the intersection?????

I don't think that he let anybody go. He just hadn't reached the intersection yet. And you can tell from the speed he was going he did not seem to be starting from a stopped position. He just assumed the flow would stop. He took no precaution to ensure that he was correct. It's his responsibility to make sure it was safe.

As well, at no point in that video was there any break in the stream of cars. It was continuous so I don't see how he could possibly assume that the intersection was safe to proceed onto. I haven't rewatched it again (I did to check if he hit the brakes in an attempt to slow down) but I don't think that there was more than 10 or possibly 15 feet between the car he hit and the one in front of it and all of them were steadily advancing.

As I said, I absolutely hate the idiots who try to turn after the advance is over (sometimes I have a chance to cut them off before they can complete their turn and leave them stranded in the middle of the intersection so they are blocking traffic) so it pains me to admit that I think the SUV will be found at fault, but that is my understanding of the law as it is written.

 

[xix]

Here is a weird question. The car filming didn't move, why?

 

[benstt]

As well, at no point in that video was there any break in the stream of cars. It was continuous so I don't see how he could possibly assume that the intersection was safe to proceed onto. I haven't rewatched it again (I did to check if he hit the brakes in an attempt to slow down) but I don't think that there was more than 10 or possibly 15 feet between the car he hit and the one in front of it and all of them were steadily advancing.

Playing devils advocate, the left turner should not have entered the intersection because the straight through guy was coming at speed. He could not make a safe left.

 

[shack]

Playing devils advocate, the left turner should not have entered the intersection because the straight through guy was coming at speed. He could not make a safe left.

Maybe it depends on who entered the intersection 1st. Whoever was second would be at fault. It's hard to tell from the vid.

 

[massman]

Both are idiots. The left turner was way late for his advanced green, but the SUV just barrelled ahead with a line of cars obstructing the intersection and even recklessly accelerated into the left turning vehicle. The left turner is an idiot, but the SUV looks almost like he hit the car intentionally and did not even make any effort to avoid/ prevent a collision.

 

[IM469]

Morally and ethically you are correct, however legally, read my post just below yours.

From the drivers' hand book.

When you approach an intersection on a main road, and the intersection is blocked with traffic, stop before entering the intersection and wait until the traffic ahead moves on.

It was a steady line of cars making left turns with very little room between them. It was not "stopped traffic" but it was blocked with a steady stream of traffic. There was no room for the SUV to get between them and the SUV did not even attempt to slow down. He just plowed through.

'When you approach an intersection on a main road, and the intersection is blocked with traffic, stop before entering the intersection'

The cars blocking the intersection had cleared, he hit the asshole running the light. The left hand turn asshole was contributing to blocked intersection after the light was changed. If you extend the defined blocked intersection traffic to all traffic leading to the intersection, signal lights become moot as cars can just continue following the original car and ignore the light. Your left turn guy was not blocking traffic when the signal turned, he turned into traffic afterwards. He violated the traffic act, not the guy who waited for the cars blocking the intersection to clear.

 

[shack]

Your left turn guy was not blocking traffic when the signal turned, he turned into traffic afterwards. He violated the traffic act, not the guy who waited for the cars blocking the intersection to clear.

He got hit when he was in the intersection. So clearly he was blocking traffic.

As I said before, the guy who entered the intersection 2nd is the one that is at fault. Even if the car made an illegal turn, the SUV does not have the right to just ram him if he entered the intersection 2nd. The 2nd guy (whichever one that was) did not ensure that the way was clear.

 

[Jenesis]

He got hit when he was in the intersection. So clearly he was blocking traffic.

As I said before, the guy who entered the intersection 2nd is the one that is at fault. Even if the car made an illegal turn, the SUV does not have the right to just ram him if he entered the intersection 2nd. The 2nd guy (whichever one that was) did not ensure that the way was clear.

Which was the car that got it. He was not in the intersection before the SUV. It was like a millisecond but the SUV was in the intersection first.

It seems you think that because other cars were in the intersection, the SUV should not have been in the intersection period.

But when you are driving and not stopped at the light and you see a green light with advanced cars going though, you would suspect that the line of cars would finish by the time you reach the intersection.

Also, if he was driving and not stopped then maybe the cars that were stop, blocked his vision of the car.