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Who had the under on "Two weeks before the first mention of Concentration Camps"?

southpaw

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Are they being brought before a judge to be adjudged as very, very dangerous?
You need a judge to kick someone out who entered your country illegally? If I walk into your place uninvited, you need a judge to throw me out?
 

southpaw

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Yes, you do. Its called due process.
Do you still need that in a state of emergency? Isn't the whole point of declaring an emergency to move swiftly? Or why bother.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Do you still need that in a state of emergency? Isn't the whole point of declaring an emergency to move swiftly? Or why bother.
The emergency was to deploy troops to the border and appropriate or redirect funds for the effort.
The Alien Enemies Act of 1798 that he invoked, allowed him to deport without a deportation order or due process.
The Alien Enemies Act is a wartime authority to target foreign nationals, and deport them to prevent espionage and sabotage.
It has been invoked only 3 times before. WW1, WW2 and the War of 1812.
But he is using it against poor undocumented migrants to deny them due process rights.
It is all for show, a gross abuse of power.
 

southpaw

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But he is using it against poor undocumented migrants to deny them due process rights.
True, but when you have millions crossing your border illegally, it's an invasion. That they are poor and undocumented doesn't make it any less of an invasion.

If Biden had done his job, there would he no need for such drastic action. There would be no need for Trump.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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True, but when you have millions crossing your border illegally, it's an invasion. That they are poor and undocumented doesn't make it any less of an invasion.

If Biden had done his job, there would he no need for such drastic action. There would be no need for Trump.
It isn't millions each year.
It is about 500K each year and that is split between crossing, visa overstays (primary source of illegal immigration), asylum petition being denied etc.,
It is not an invasion.
The immigration issue is not even #1 for the US.
Real issues such as healthcare affordability and access, gun violence, debt and deficit are being ignored.
All of his major policies are targeting people groups instead of focusing on those real issues.
Also the July 2024 data showed the lowest level of border crossings since September 2020.
So Biden didn't really do a bad job.
Its all blown out of proportion.
 
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southpaw

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Also the July 2024 data showed the lowest level of border crossings since September 2020.
So what was Biden doing before July 2024?


Between January 2021 and January 2024, US Border Patrol confirmed more than 7.2 million illegal migrants trying to cross the US-Mexico border, not counting gotaways. 2023 was a record year with over 2.5 million encounters
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On June 4, 2024, Biden passed an executive order to shut down the border if illegal crossings reached an average of 2,500 migrants a day in a given week. Migrant encounters subsequently dropped down to 2020 levels.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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So what was Biden doing before July 2024?


Between January 2021 and January 2024, US Border Patrol confirmed more than 7.2 million illegal migrants trying to cross the US-Mexico border, not counting gotaways. 2023 was a record year with over 2.5 million encounters
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On June 4, 2024, Biden passed an executive order to shut down the border if illegal crossings reached an average of 2,500 migrants a day in a given week. Migrant encounters subsequently dropped down to 2020 levels.
They were encounters.
Not unique encounters or an increase in population of illegal immigrants.
Also looks like Biden acted on a problem amidst accusations that he did not.
 
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The Oracle

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Also the July 2024 data showed the lowest level of border crossings since September 2020.
So Biden didn't really do a bad job.
Its all blown out of proportion.
Yes they tightened everything up for the election. At least 10 million unvetted illegals came in during the preceding 3.5 years.

Biden got hijacked by the progressives in his own party..
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Yes they tightened everything up for the election. At least 10 million unvetted illegals came in during the preceding 3.5 years.

Biden got hijacked by the progressives in his own party..
So looks like Biden did his job.
They weren't illegals by the way.
They were asylum seekers due to the Venezuelan and Haitian crisis.
You are getting legal and illegal migrants mixed up.
 

southpaw

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They weren't illegals by the way.
They were asylum seekers due to the Venezuelan and Haitian crisis.
You are getting legal and illegal migrants mixed up.
And you are getting hung up on a technicality. No more asylum. No more irregular border crossings. The American electorate has spoken. It's their country.
 

southpaw

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Yes, the American electorate drank the MAGA kool aid.
It's their choice, not yours. And based on Trumps current approval rating, they seem pretty happy with it.
 

danmand

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And you are getting hung up on a technicality. No more asylum. No more irregular border crossings. The American electorate has spoken. It's their country.
No, it is not technicalities. USA are bound by UN agreements about refugees.
But, leave UN.
 

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You need to store them somewhere while you deport them.
Only so many planes.
Then there are the people you can't find a place to deport them to.
Just lock them up indefinitely in the meantime.

Miller talked openly about the need for camps when discussing how the mass deportation would go.
That's just not the kind of thing that makes the news.

As for why Guantanamo?
It already exists, for one, and it has the reputation for being a torture site.
It's like using absurdly expensive military vehicles and shackles for just flying deportees out.
Gotta "look tough" and send a message about how much you will be abused if you end up in ICE's sights.
Also, its mostly away from prying eyes. There will be no "neighbours" to complain about the detainees treatment, no way for TV news to get shots of the camp from helicopters. Out of sight, out of mind, and those good Christian nationalists can go on pretending they are following the teachings of Jesus....
 
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