It had no effect on employment, the subsequent moratorium has had a dramatic effect.
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Where will China find the oil to power its economy?
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Given that the top oil importers are:
1 United States 11,310,000 2008 est.
2 European Union 8,613,000 2008 est.
3 Japan 5,033,000 2008 est.
4 China 4,393,000 2008 est.
I'd say it's more than just China that needs to find oil....
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1 United States 11,310,000 2008 est.
2 European Union 8,613,000 2008 est.
3 Japan 5,033,000 2008 est.
4 China 4,393,000 2008 est.
I'd say it's more than just China that needs to find oil....
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China is about to run out of coal. When that happens, China takes a nose dive economy to the bottom.
Then again, they could round up the 1 Billion in poverty and use human power on treadmills watching
Oprah Winfrey (edited for content) videos.
Gyaos.
Then again, they could round up the 1 Billion in poverty and use human power on treadmills watching
Oprah Winfrey (edited for content) videos.
Gyaos.
Doubtful since Big Oil worldwide are investing in projects and taking over natural gas companies. :thumb:
If not, your fellow pinko/libertard like this dude would do everything to up the game of NIMBY. Hee, hee, hee.
BTW, wanna buy some silver? It's $10 cheaper.
Any idea how to profit from this scenario? Don't recall Jim Chanos make the same assumption for his investment strategy.
The irony is that those who don't want to drill for oil are the same people who complain about high oil company profits.... if you constrict the supply the price rises along with oil company profits....
None of the alternatives are workable, especially for transportation. The only one that's close is natural gas and that would require a infrastructure investment.
You can't drive you car on wind/solar or really any electric, at lest not for many miles before an 8 hour charge is required.
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None of the alternatives are workable, especially for transportation. The only one that's close is natural gas and that would require a infrastructure investment.
You can't drive you car on wind/solar or really any electric, at lest not for many miles before an 8 hour charge is required.
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They just need to develop Hydrogen, Solar, Wind, Geothermal, electric and Natural gas for starters. Just like many real scientists and POTUS Jimmy Carter proposed over 30 years ago. Had THAT been followed up on, today we would NOT be needing one drop of offshore OIL! The only ones against this are BIG OIL and their apologist whores who want to keep us addicted to OIL by preaching their pro-oil obfuscation BS! Natural gas development SHOULD be taken out of the hands of BIG OIL who will just fark it up!....
Not one fact, all rhetoric and opinionThey just need to develop Hydrogen, Solar, Wind, Geothermal, electric and Natural gas for starters. Just like many real scientists and POTUS Jimmy Carter proposed over 30 years ago. Had THAT been followed up on, today we would NOT be needing one drop of offshore OIL! The only ones against this are BIG OIL and their apologist whores who want to keep us addicted to OIL by preaching their pro-oil obfuscation BS! Natural gas development SHOULD be taken out of the hands of BIG OIL who will just fark it up!....
Do you honestly think that anyone places any value in what you say if do not present any facts.
The real sad part is you might be right every once and a while, however you screw it up and demean its value by always trying to assign blame and trying (unsuccessfully) promote your overbearing and very tiring political agenda.
You have no doubt done your leftie agenda more harm than good as most rational people are usually weary and turned off by such admit and over the top rhetoric
LMFAO!!!!
Same old same old tripe by a real twit.....LOL!!!
Not surprised you reply with nothing but LIES Johnny boi....FFS!
You now sound like one of them well paid apologists mentioned above that ONLY spread misinformation, disinformation and outright lies doing the bidding of your masters!.....
Obfuscate away bon ami, you are a pathetic creature.....
Prove they are liesLMFAO!!!!
Same old same old tripe by a real twit.....LOL!!!
Not surprised you reply with nothing but LIES Johnny boi....FFS!
You now sound like one of them well paid apologists mentioned above that ONLY spread misinformation, disinformation and outright lies doing the bidding of your masters!.....
Obfuscate away bon ami, you are a pathetic creature.....
I dare you
I am sure you would love nothing more than to be able to put me in my place
Just trot out the facts
Oh yes, I forgot, you can not do that because you do not have any facts to back up what you claim
Or you are too lazy to put together a sound logical set of compelling arguments based upon credible facts ?
Personally I think you lack the intellect, however you can go with lazy if you want
I guarentee you will not respond with facts
These facts HAVE been posted before!
But YOU just act JAJAesque and deny/ignore them like a good little stooge of OIL!
Here's you go again skippy:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/carter-energy/
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1010-27.htm
http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/08/who-got-us-in-this-energy-mess-start-with-ronald-reagan/
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=7373#axzz1LdvEZZZB
http://hnn.us/articles/52030.html
http://www.energybulletin.net/node/9657
http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/18/mccain-embraces-carters-energy-policy/
Now lets see you LIE your way around that!....
But YOU just act JAJAesque and deny/ignore them like a good little stooge of OIL!
Here's you go again skippy:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/carter-energy/
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1010-27.htm
http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/08/who-got-us-in-this-energy-mess-start-with-ronald-reagan/
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=7373#axzz1LdvEZZZB
http://hnn.us/articles/52030.html
http://www.energybulletin.net/node/9657
http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/18/mccain-embraces-carters-energy-policy/
Now lets see you LIE your way around that!....
If I can remember the proper economic terms Oil Demand is inelastic in regards to price to the majority of driving. Let's say you drive 30 minutes to work every day. If gas is a buck a litre, you will use an hour of fuel a day. If gas is $1.50 you will use an hour of fuel a day. Your use is not determined by price in that unless you move closer to work you will use the same amount no matter what the price is. that hour of fuel a day is what you spend to make your money.
granted the pleasure driving and vacations may stop. But the usage for work will not decrease all that much without having to completely change big ticket things (new house close to work, or buy a more fuel efficient car).
Alternatives. I like alcohol, but not the grow corn type, that is energy inefficient. Look at methanol or ethanol from cellulose or waste. Pyrolysis and syngas reformation. Heck germany was doing well in teh war until they bombed his synthetic fuel works, then he ran out of gas. Make engines use methanol or ethanol or gasoline. Then make gas compete on price.
Algae into fuel is interesting, an acre of algae, properly cultured, produces 30 times more calories than an acre of soybeans. That is capturing solar energy in a way that is intensive enough to make a difference.
The softer tech (solar and wind) is fine for capturing cyclic energy. I'd look at Thorium wave Reactors (thanks Mr. Gates), Deep Ocean thermal and cutting energy usage by cold water pumping within 10 miles of shore. for more significant energy production or savings.
granted the pleasure driving and vacations may stop. But the usage for work will not decrease all that much without having to completely change big ticket things (new house close to work, or buy a more fuel efficient car).
Alternatives. I like alcohol, but not the grow corn type, that is energy inefficient. Look at methanol or ethanol from cellulose or waste. Pyrolysis and syngas reformation. Heck germany was doing well in teh war until they bombed his synthetic fuel works, then he ran out of gas. Make engines use methanol or ethanol or gasoline. Then make gas compete on price.
Algae into fuel is interesting, an acre of algae, properly cultured, produces 30 times more calories than an acre of soybeans. That is capturing solar energy in a way that is intensive enough to make a difference.
The softer tech (solar and wind) is fine for capturing cyclic energy. I'd look at Thorium wave Reactors (thanks Mr. Gates), Deep Ocean thermal and cutting energy usage by cold water pumping within 10 miles of shore. for more significant energy production or savings.
Exactly!!!
This is how the so called 'free market' is meant to be!
However in this case BIG OIL want NO part of the free market because then OIL wold lose their ability to dictate energy policy they have enjoyed for years....:Eek:
Very good, you have shown you can copy and pasteThese facts HAVE been posted before!
But YOU just act JAJAesque and deny/ignore them like a good little stooge of OIL!
Here's you go again skippy:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/carter-energy/
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1010-27.htm
http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/08/who-got-us-in-this-energy-mess-start-with-ronald-reagan/
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=7373#axzz1LdvEZZZB
http://hnn.us/articles/52030.html
http://www.energybulletin.net/node/9657
http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/18/mccain-embraces-carters-energy-policy/
Now lets see you LIE your way around that!....
However not of those articles show that I have lied
You said
Exactly where have I lied ?
All I did was was point out that you do not present facts only rhetoric
A half dozen links to 30 year old articles proves nothing
It certainly does not provide you with the credibility you could achieve by stating a hard fact backed up by a specific article
I suspect you you are too thick to make the connection and formulate a defensible position without mudding the water with your rhetoric.
We have gone down this road before
Pasting a half dozen links does not cut it
You get a "F" on this assignment (I am sure you are use to that)
By the way, I have never said I do or do not agree with Carter.
So how could I have lied?
Implying I lied is another one of your favorite but very tiring approach to mudding the waters and avoiding the question
Rather I just wanted to see if you understand and can articulate what you are so feverishly promoting
Clearly you do not understand and do not have a hope in hell of properly explaining it a rational non-partisan way
Again you do not understand that your over-bearing obnoxious approach dilutes the value of what you say (even when you might be right !)You are such a moron
