When did my world become your ashtray?

[james t kirk]

It's time they jacked up the taxes on those damn things again. It's been years now since they raised the taxes.

I say add 5 bucks a deck in taxes to pay for all the clean up of butts.

 

[OnTheWayOut]

I'm a quitter butt ..........

I tend to rip the ember off the cigarette and throw the filter in the garbage. It's really not that hard to do.

I used to do the same, not hard at all. I miss the good ole days when I smoked ...... but I was usually a considerate smoker, at least tried real hard to be.

However I used to be a prick at times in the car. A few times someone would tailgate me and despite my best efforts to get them to back off (tap brakes, slow down, pull onto unpaved shoulder and throw a few stones in their grill) I would flick my butt out the window at the appropriate moment so it would hit their car.

Now mind you, I'm no rolling traffic jam, I ALWAYS exceed the speed limit by the usual max you can do without getting nailed. I don't deserve to be tailgated so it was their own fault.

If I was lucky it would hit the windshield right in his field of vision. At minimum it would usually hit the hood, I got kinda good at it. If I missed I'd rip another cig in half (flicking the discarded part at the tailgater) and light er up, toke a few times to get the ashes nice and hot and fire away again until I got the desired effect. Didn't really make them stay off my bumper for too long, they'd usually get right back on after the initial shock wore off.

But it had a strangely calming effect on me, and that's why I enjoyed smoking so much. They could tailgate all they wanted after I nailed em good and I'd just cruise down the road watching their contorted face and clenched fists. I was no longer stressed by their actions. I do miss smoking and have yet to find a suitable replacement to relieve the stress caused by tailgaters.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, stress relief, tailgaters ..... nahhhh, I can't do THAT!!!

 

[Pudding]

Im fucking sick of some smokers butting their stinky shitty ashes out of their car window. THen driving behind them I get their fucking butt flung out and onto the windshield. I mean what is it with you (those that do it) dont they make ashtrays in cars anymore? STOP IT! its so goddamn annoying and bad for the environment. Rant over, for now!

Stop driving behind me.

 

[OnTheWayOut]

THen driving behind them I get their fucking butt flung out and onto the windshield.

Now that I read this again it does appear perhaps you're following the smoker's car(s) a bit too closely .....

But since I quit over 2 years ago I haven't nailed you for at least that long! (If you are a cursed tailgater)

 

[MojoRisin']

Now that I read this again it does appear perhaps you're following the smoker's car(s) a bit too closely .....

But since I quit over 2 years ago I haven't nailed you for at least that long! (If you are a cursed tailgater)

sorry, not a cursed tailgater, i hate those people after ignorant smokers that fling thier butts out the window. Its really amazing how far a butt will go when thrown out the window on the 401. Butt I dont expect those that do it to understand otherwise they wouldnt do i i assume (not that you are one of them anymore and thanks for that) To add to the ignorant smokers stories, i was at a Blue Jay game walking along front street with my 10 year old neice when some fucker ahead of us drops his half smoked, still fully burning butt on the sidewalk just in front of us. I take my neices hand and pull her out of the way then pick up the butt and catch up to the fucker and hand it back to him suggesting with the price of smokes these days, that he couldnt possiblly of meant to almost burn a young girl and with causing such a fucking mess here on the sidewalk, he possible couldnt have dropped this half smoked still burning cigarette in the middle of a busy sidewalk on purpose. He didnt like that very much but I could fucking care less.

 

[ocean976124]

Take a look outside the front of many coffee shops, bars, and restaurants and you'll find butts usually hundreds of them.
The exception to this rule is when the owner of the establishment cleans up after the smokers.

Well, what do you expect when people are told to smoke outside and there's no ashtry outside?
How hard is it to get one of those "smoker's outposts" for the used butts? Or a bucket with some sand in it?

 

[tboy]

1) Smokers in front of buildings: LOL what a joke, the government PUT them there! They used to be spread out all over the place and now you're complaining because they are in ONE location? DOH
2) Butts on the ground: OH, would you rather us pack them up in a nice little plastic bag to be put into a landfill to be found by archeologists in 5,000 yrs? They have a far better chance of biodegrading being exposed to the elements than they do wrapped in a plastic shield.
3) Burn the hand of the child walking behind: LOL. The temperature on the end of a cigarette isn't hot enough to burn anything with momentary contact. She'd have to pick it up by the lit end and hold it for a second or two. (another overreacting parent). If someone ever walked up on me like that I'd first say: sorry, but go fuck yourself and if you persue this matter your daughter is going to see you get your ass whooped big time.
4) Pollution: I tell you what: you can bitch about cigarette butts on the ground when you reduce your garbage output by 60% and or stop driving. ONE vehicle creates 1,000,000 times more pollution than all the smokers in toronto combined in their lifetime.
5) You want to bitch about something? How about people who spit their chewing gum out onto the sidewalk. You can't just sweep that up. It takes specialized equipment and a team to lift that mess.......

BTW: If my butt hits your car on the highway? You're travelling WAY too close my friends......

 

[Keebler Elf]

5) You want to bitch about something? How about people who spit their chewing gum out onto the sidewalk.

I see FAR more cigarette butts than I do chewing gum.

But hey, if a person wants to wallow in being an inconsiderate prick, go right ahead. We all see those people for what they really are. At the bottom of the social totem pole.

On a related note, the time that pissed me off the most was when some young girl was stopped at a red light and tossed out her empty cigarette pack. Right into the middle of the street. It's times like those that I'd rather see a slap upside the head than a fine.

 

[OnTheWayOut]

I think one thing forgotten in all this is the fact that butts have a lot of fiberglass in them. They're tossed out the window and traffic forces then to the shoulders. In areas where there are no paved shoulders (like the ones I use to discourage tailgaters) the butts actually serve to reinforce the shoulders and save us all money in shoulder maintenance.

Except for the butts that make it into the forests still lit, that's a separate issue. And in the city where the shoulders are paved. But if left alone they will make it into the sewers and be filtered out at the treatment plant. I imagine most of the posters in this thread are from the GTA. It's not like your area is so clean a few butts will make it much worse until they hit the sewer grate. It's not like you're talking about a clean city like Ottawa or anything .....

I'm going to get my flame retardant suit now *lol*

 

[RTRD]

Actually..

Im fucking sick of some smokers butting their stinky shitty ashes out of their car window. THen driving behind them I get their fucking butt flung out and onto the windshield. I mean what is it with you (those that do it) dont they make ashtrays in cars anymore? STOP IT! its so goddamn annoying and bad for the environment. Rant over, for now!

...they don't. You'd think people would get the hint....

Plus, even smokers know the cig butts stink to high heaven, as does smoking in general.

 

[james t kirk]

Except for the butts that make it into the forests still lit, that's a separate issue. And in the city where the shoulders are paved. But if left alone they will make it into the sewers and be filtered out at the treatment plant. I imagine most of the posters in this thread are from the GTA. It's not like your area is so clean a few butts will make it much worse until they hit the sewer grate. It's not like you're talking about a clean city like Ottawa or anything .....

I'm going to get my flame retardant suit now *lol*

Wrong a Roonie.

The catch basins at the edge of the pavement are connected to the Storm Sewers.

Storm sewers discharge directly into the nearest water course without being treated. So your filthy disgusting disease infected butts go right into Lake Ontario.

Sanitary Sewers are a closed system that handle waste water generated by buildings (shit, piss, dishwater, shower, industrial processes) and THAT gets sent to the Main, etc. The storm sewers are not connected to the sanitary sewers in most parts of the City of Toronto anymore.

Unless you are going to jump out of your car with your pick and open the nearest sanitary cast iron manhole lid weighing oh, about 200 pounds, your butt is heading into the nearest stream.

No need for your flame retardant suit, just some friendly advice....

Think before you speak.

 

[great bear]

I'm gong to butt out of this thread.

 

[OnTheWayOut]

So your filthy disgusting disease infected butts go right into Lake Ontario.

Think before you speak.

Actually I quit smoking a few years ago, I just decided to lend my input having been an lousy stinking offender for years. Now I only have a filthy butt when an SP tells me it's OK to ......*eg*

I always think before I speak, it's just sometimes thinking gets me nowhere ..... I truly had no knowledge about where the storm drains go. I could have thought all day and it wouldn't have helped in this situation. I thank you for taking the time to share the info. So to modify my original post, it would now appear the butts are fortifying a river bed or lake somewhere, perhaps helping fill in the lake as the fresh water reserves dwindle.

BTW, in case you missed it my post was fairly dripping with sarcasm ..... not that this was any better

 

[tboy]

Once again, better to have them exposed to the environment than wrapped up in plastic to be protected until the next couple of millenia......

As for throwing litter out the window etc, yeah, that's pushing it.....

Ah, pick on the smokers, they are such easy targets!!! I tell you, if you want to really address a pollution problem? How about the 1,000,000 tonnes of crap that coal fired electric plants put into the air that you NEED to breathe.....add up all the cigarette butts, from every city in canada for the past year and I bet you will fall within the 1 ton range....far cry from 1M don't cha think?

Oh yeah, how about the 100 tons of waste produced for each average house built? Naw, don't want to complain about that, it requires too much thought.

How about the 1,000,000 tons of polystyrene foam (coffee cups) that goes into landfills EVERY DAY????? Naw, don't touch my coffee cups.....

Hey, but don't complain about the real polluters, go after the PC ones......

I have one word for the complainers in this thread: pussies! Cause if you weren't, you'd be complaining about the real issues.

 

[tboy]

I see FAR more cigarette butts than I do chewing gum.

But hey, if a person wants to wallow in being an inconsiderate prick, go right ahead. We all see those people for what they really are. At the bottom of the social totem pole.

On a related note, the time that pissed me off the most was when some young girl was stopped at a red light and tossed out her empty cigarette pack. Right into the middle of the street. It's times like those that I'd rather see a slap upside the head than a fine.

I guess Keeb, you are one of those inconsiderate pricks, that is unless you've halved your fuel consumption in the last month, or turned up your a/c temp to 75, or refused to use any product that comes in a polystyrene container, or one of the million other wasteful things a regular person does.

The ONLY problem with cigarette butts is they are visible.

BTW: as for chewing gun on the sidewalks, start paying attention, you'd be surprised just how much of it is out there. Especially in front of McDs downtown......

 

[basketcase]

No litter when you smoke a pipe!

But crack ages you big time.
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[MojoRisin']

1) Smokers in front of buildings: LOL what a joke, the government PUT them there! They used to be spread out all over the place and now you're complaining because they are in ONE location? DOH
2) Butts on the ground: OH, would you rather us pack them up in a nice little plastic bag to be put into a landfill to be found by archeologists in 5,000 yrs? They have a far better chance of biodegrading being exposed to the elements than they do wrapped in a plastic shield.
3) Burn the hand of the child walking behind: LOL. The temperature on the end of a cigarette isn't hot enough to burn anything with momentary contact. She'd have to pick it up by the lit end and hold it for a second or two. (another overreacting parent). If someone ever walked up on me like that I'd first say: sorry, but go fuck yourself and if you persue this matter your daughter is going to see you get your ass whooped big time.
4) Pollution: I tell you what: you can bitch about cigarette butts on the ground when you reduce your garbage output by 60% and or stop driving. ONE vehicle creates 1,000,000 times more pollution than all the smokers in toronto combined in their lifetime.
5) You want to bitch about something? How about people who spit their chewing gum out onto the sidewalk. You can't just sweep that up. It takes specialized equipment and a team to lift that mess.......

BTW: If my butt hits your car on the highway? You're travelling WAY too close my friends......

typical answer from a idiot smoker that cant take ownership. First off we are talking about smoking and butts and the cause and stink and disgust of that NOT what you want to change the subject to. Start your own fucking thread. And if you read my post about my NEICE (not daughter, in not a parent) youd see i wasnt concerned about her hand it was droppped at her feet. take a moment before you get so defensive and spew shit like you did above lol. You obviously are an ignorant smoker and thats too bad. If you havent ever driven behind a butt thrower on the highway you wouldnt know or dont care because you ARE one of them. lol thanks for your input but it just proves you do have your head in the sand about this. It bothers alot of people as you can see. So just dont do it, its pretty simple Thanks we appreciate it. One day you will too i hope

 

[MojoRisin']

If someone ever walked up on me like that I'd first say: sorry, but go fuck yourself and if you persue this matter your daughter is going to see you get your ass whooped big time.

oh and this would be a fun conversation for me too. Id have to be a good uncle though and let you have the first swing then explain why Uncle Mojo had to hold the forehead of that little man while he swung aimlessly at him, then put him in a head lock and give him a very embarrassing public wedgy. We could later exchange information if needed to discuss it further when not in the company of minors

 

[a 1 player]

I am a smoker.

Should non smokers have rights? Absolutely.

Should smokers have rights? Absolutely.

The difficulty is finding the balance between the two, a fair middle ground so to speak. I understand why the government has passed legislation to protect non smokers, I am cool with that. No smoking in theaters, common work area, etc. Frankly, I do not wish to smell a cigarette when I am having a nice meal. However, when laws are passed that go back on resraunt owners who have invested their own money to create ventilated rooms, it has gone too far. That is plain not fair.

I will admit to having thrown my butt out the window of my car, and having thrown it on the road/sidewalk more times than I can remember. Is it wrong to do? Absolutely. Does it cause the litter I hate? Yes. If the government/police were smart, they would start ticketing people for littering the same way one would be ticketed for throwing out a candy bar wrapper. That is fair. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

What I object to is when one group gets a special law/right given to them that does not involve every person. That is taking a right away from some other group. There can only be one sort of right, an individual right. Everything else does not work and is unjust.

 

[tboy]

oh and this would be a fun conversation for me too. Id have to be a good uncle though and let you have the first swing then explain why Uncle Mojo had to hold the forehead of that little man while he swung aimlessly at him, then put him in a head lock and give him a very embarrassing public wedgy. We could later exchange information if needed to discuss it further when not in the company of minors

LOL yeah ok, keep telling yourself that........maybe it helps you sleep at night.....you obviously have never been in a real fight......

LOL, a guy drops a lit smoke on the pavement and you go and pick it up? Why'd you pull her out of the way? Was it going to explode or something? Oh man, what an idiot.....so you don't mind some stranger's saliva all over your hand? Did you use that same hand to take your niece's hand?

Do you do the same for people who spit? Scoop it up with your spoon? How about gum? Do that too? Or do you pick it up and chew on it for a bit first?

I wonder, do you think you're just a little anal about smokers? Did some "smoker" sexually abuse you when you were a teen? Were you ever a choirboy?

Again, unless you do the same thing for the real polluters of the world, STFU already.....