Well, since they are both deceased and you're probably 12, I doubt it....wonkyknee said:unless they asked me to..........which reminds me...i think i have as i shot out a load on each of their faces at the same time.
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Not sure where your friends play....
...and trash talking is part of the game. What someone says about you during the game is meaningless...unless you let it get under your skin. Then you are REALLY a pussy...and you better not come back around THAT court...SneakyLB said:
Not sure where your friends play....
Clear your box so I can send you a message, such a great soul as you needs a prize......you can insult me as much as you want, but you've gone too far...wonkyknee said:unless they asked me to..........which reminds me...i think i have as i shot out a load on each of their faces at the same time.
I'm actually typing from jail....lol....never been insulted?...of course, during games a lot of insults fly, violent tackles, pushing, head butts, etc....it's part of the game, and red cards are very often the consequence. But I've never heard insults directed to mothers, sisters, wives, etc....that is so low it would trigger immediate and incredible violence on any soccer field. We are men, and we can insult each other, hit each other, that's ok....in the heat of the moment during a game......it happens, but we stick to hurting each other, the women in our lives are out of bounds, it's a line that cannot be crossed.gixxer750 said:
Maybe......but real men do not use those tactics, they come at you, insult you, or hit you, that's the way I experienced up until 3 years ago, when I stopped playing cause I moved to Toronto. Granted, we were not pros, but there were still some very heated arguments and through the years I've seen punches thrown, general melees, with the normal consequences, multiple game suspensions, etc....I'm jewish and have played games against 100% algerian teams in Montreal, there was some very violent contacts(considering soccer does not allow most of them), fights, and even hateful words, but never, never, were our wives, mothers, etc... involved in the insults, that is not allowed, we disliked each other enough, using those kind of tactics would have caused some very serious harm and very serious violence, especially whith oriental men. Maybe you can't understand.Sheik said:
I've worked a lot with italians in my life and always felt that we understood each other on those topics, the major insults that are absolutely not allowed and will always cause fights have to do with the women in our lives, their fidelity, etc.... I always felt that in those cases, we as men stopped thinking and basically just reacted with extreme violence. With the years of experience now, the anger is the same, but I have a moment where I will be able to decide what is the intelligent action, younger, I did not, the opponent had to bleed....lol......there was no rational thought then.
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fun-guy said:Oh please, what kind of society do we in the western world live in? If I'm walking down the street and someone I know insults me verbally, calling my sister and mother everything in the book, do I have the right to then slug him? What kind of civilization will we have if everytime someone uses verbal insults and then we're allowed to retaliate physically???? We have laws to govern our behaviour and how people should be penalized for breaking them.
Materazzi verbally insulted Zidane and is it now acceptable for Zidane to use physical force to retaliate? Regardless of what kind of scum you think Materazzi is, Zidane is one rung below him for retaliating the way he did. Don't make Zidane seem like some local hero now, geez.
I played sports at the national level in my younger days and was constantly insulted on the field and on the court, they did it to throw me off my game. It was so tempting to knock some guys' teeth out when they discriminate against my heritage and my parents, including my mother, but I knew better. The best way I knew to retaliate was to beat them in the game, that gave me all the satisfaction I needed. I realized those guys didn't really know me or my parents, etc.. and I didn't take it personally, it was their way of getting into my mind so I would make mistakes and they would succeed. I would take things more personally if someone I knew very close started to insult my mother and sister, not from some guy who doesn't know them.
That is well said. However the society we live in has really changed over the past 5 years.
Trash talking started in the playgrounds and should stay in the playgrounds..Sheik said:
As a coach, I don't allow trash talking from my players in games and it's a sure way for a player to get some bench time.....
In N.American sports (hockey, football, basketball, lacrosse) talk trash, and you are likely to get a very legal, but very hard foul or tackle.. you don't have the same opportunity in soccer... If some guy is starting to trash talk to me, then I know that I have beaten the shit out of him....
Finally, there is trash talking, and then there is poor sportsmanship... you start insulting someones family, race, religion etc.. that's poor sportsmanship..
Sheik... as far as it being only game.... play golf, figure skate, synchronize swim, ultimate frisbee they are games.. but things like hockey, football, basketball, etc... they are serious serious sports..
Of course not... but he doesnt have the right to insult you or those close to you either. Everyone wants to shoot their mouth of but nobody wants to take responsibility when they go too far...sheeshfun-guy said:
Nobody is saying its acceptable... he got penalized... nobody is aruing that.... I dont advocate behaiour like that but I also cant say that I blame him. Yeah trash talking happenes in sports but theres a line for everything and Matterazzi clearly crossed it....Quite frankly, I'm not gonna shoot my mouth off If I wasnt prepared for the recipient to retaliate....but why should Materazzi take responsibility for his actions...right?fun-guy said:
Funny, I actually think Matterazzi is the lower one here... and nobody is saying Zidane is a herofun-guy said:
You think sychronized swimming is just a game? Those babes are hopped up on roids and amphetamines. How the hell else do they keep those silly ass grins on their faces so long? You trash talk these bitches and the lead-lined caps go on.slowandeasy said:
I agree, It is only a game, tell that to the guys who want to win by all means including getting a good player off balance by insulting his female relatives. In many cultures that is a greater sin than in North America, you should note.Sheik said:
And the male synchronized swimmers are even more ruthless!!!!Cool Dude said:You think sychronized swimming is just a game? Those babes are hopped up on roids and amphetamines. How the hell else do they keep those silly ass grins on their faces so long? You trash talk these bitches and the lead-lined caps go on.
Well, I am having trouble buying in to Zidane's pitch.
His story might sell well in France where people are falling all over themselves trying to find a reason to forgive him and erase the stench... but I don't think it will sell anywhere else. Italy does not count!
I don't have anything against the French, but a wit did once summarize a tendency in their character very well: "It's not the stench about the French; its DeGaule (their gall) that amazes us all."
Head games, bluffing, misinformation etc. all are part of professional sports... and please don't compare professional sports to every day life.
He let an opponent get into his head.
What next? "He bluffed to win the poker hand!" "He faked me out of my boots?" "Mommy, he teased me?"
"If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen!"
I felt sorry for Zidane at first because that was an unfortunate and painful exit from the world stage, but I think he is now stretching his credibility.
I can't believe that he can't bring himself to even utter the words. He even makes his offer to give him his shirt sound like it was a kind, genuine, friendly, loving thing to do.... I bet! That, to me, is called disingenuous... which means too clever by far.
Lawyers eat up people with stories like that in cross-examination. Give me an hour to cross examine him and he'd look like mince meat.
If he had simply said "I made a mistake; I am sorry. I should not have allowed him to get to me, but I did," I would accept it. But to try to shift the blame and responsibility and himself play the innocent victim.... well!!!
Zidane: stop while you still have some dignity and intergrity.
Perry
His story might sell well in France where people are falling all over themselves trying to find a reason to forgive him and erase the stench... but I don't think it will sell anywhere else. Italy does not count!
I don't have anything against the French, but a wit did once summarize a tendency in their character very well: "It's not the stench about the French; its DeGaule (their gall) that amazes us all."
Head games, bluffing, misinformation etc. all are part of professional sports... and please don't compare professional sports to every day life.
He let an opponent get into his head.
What next? "He bluffed to win the poker hand!" "He faked me out of my boots?" "Mommy, he teased me?"
"If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen!"
I felt sorry for Zidane at first because that was an unfortunate and painful exit from the world stage, but I think he is now stretching his credibility.
I can't believe that he can't bring himself to even utter the words. He even makes his offer to give him his shirt sound like it was a kind, genuine, friendly, loving thing to do.... I bet! That, to me, is called disingenuous... which means too clever by far.
Lawyers eat up people with stories like that in cross-examination. Give me an hour to cross examine him and he'd look like mince meat.
If he had simply said "I made a mistake; I am sorry. I should not have allowed him to get to me, but I did," I would accept it. But to try to shift the blame and responsibility and himself play the innocent victim.... well!!!
Zidane: stop while you still have some dignity and intergrity.
Perry
only girls or gay men stand up trading insults like they are at a fish market. Materrazi's lips shouldnt have written a cheque that his but couldn't cash.Sheik said:
As for insults. Its one thing to stand up to a man and insult HIM but another to insult his mother who has just taken ill and in hospital.
Most of the Italian players have no place in world sport themselves. None of them are on Zidane's talent and skill level. He is needed. They aren't. He should have waited til after the game to put some serious licks on that nasty boy Materazzo. Insult a man and leave his family out of it. This isnt North America with "your mamma jokes". In alot of cultures that is just you begging to get killed!
Let's not deny it, had it been another player head-butting Materrazzi, many of his team-mates would have rushed in defence. Unfortunately not in this case. Not a single team-mate of Materazzi went out of their way to defend Materazzi, but instead they just stood there watching, as though saying what did our fool do to provoke such an attack from the demi-God.
Every player, beside Materrazzi's type, has respect for Zidane. That we cannot deny.
Every player, beside Materrazzi's type, has respect for Zidane. That we cannot deny.
I got charged with assault when I was 21 because some idiot in a bar told me that my mother sucks good cock. Looking back I should have just ignored him and not wasted my time. not to mention legal fees..My lawyer told me an old saying, if you sleep with dogs you will wake up with flies...basically he scolded me for allowing myself to get goaded into a fight with an idiot who basically had nothng to lose and not a dime in his pocket.
So lets paralel this to Zidane and Materazzi.
Zidane is 34, and one of the greats of the game. Materazzi is basically a journeymen defender and the only reason he was on the field was because a better player was injured. There is absolutely no comparison in talent, in achievement, in accomplishments, nothing. Materazzi doesn't deserve to tie Zidanes shoes. I'm not sure he is qualified to wipe Zidane's ass.
Now I can understand everyone has a mother, everyone has a sister. No one wants either of them to be insulted. But Zidane is a legend who allowed his temper to lower both himself and his reputation to the level of a common street thug. He should have done his talking on the field, instead he allowed a go no where piece of shit dime a dozen player like Materazzi to get the better of him. Not to mention he cost his team and his country the world cup.
So lets paralel this to Zidane and Materazzi.
Zidane is 34, and one of the greats of the game. Materazzi is basically a journeymen defender and the only reason he was on the field was because a better player was injured. There is absolutely no comparison in talent, in achievement, in accomplishments, nothing. Materazzi doesn't deserve to tie Zidanes shoes. I'm not sure he is qualified to wipe Zidane's ass.
Now I can understand everyone has a mother, everyone has a sister. No one wants either of them to be insulted. But Zidane is a legend who allowed his temper to lower both himself and his reputation to the level of a common street thug. He should have done his talking on the field, instead he allowed a go no where piece of shit dime a dozen player like Materazzi to get the better of him. Not to mention he cost his team and his country the world cup.
So then let me ask the question, where do you draw the line?
Like someone else said, I disagree with what he did but I understand it.
We all say sticks and stones and words, blah, blah, blah. But we all know we have our limits to what we will and won't react to, regardless of age. So if he made comments about raping his daughter, or killing his mother. Or anything vile or vulgar. Could you say you wouldn't react? This goes beyond trash talking.
I can only try to put myself in his shoes. My family is very dear to me and I'm not sure how I would have reacted in that moment and time. We all have our breaking points. Obviously Materazzi found his.
Like someone else said, I disagree with what he did but I understand it.
We all say sticks and stones and words, blah, blah, blah. But we all know we have our limits to what we will and won't react to, regardless of age. So if he made comments about raping his daughter, or killing his mother. Or anything vile or vulgar. Could you say you wouldn't react? This goes beyond trash talking.
I can only try to put myself in his shoes. My family is very dear to me and I'm not sure how I would have reacted in that moment and time. We all have our breaking points. Obviously Materazzi found his.
Yes, I'm a seasoned soccer veteran who played from the age of 16 till I turned 47, every year, and up until my late 20's I played on 2 teams every year, and yes in the small leagues we have here in Canada, I agree nothing of a very high caliber, but winning was still very important, the game, the team, all of that was very serious stuff. But that doesn't change that we do not use that type of insult. For some cultures I guess a stronger self-control prevails, for those of us who grew up in latin and oriental cultures, we lose control faster, and our women are sacred. The only viable answer is violence. That is why Zidane doesn't regret what he has done, we just cannot stand by and let anyone say such things about our women. A verbal answer is not enough.gixxer750 said:
I can't really explain it, you insult my brother, I'll stand up and make threats, but it most likely ends there. Insult a mother, a sister, a daughter, a wife, the anger is way too powerful, it is pure rage, there is very little chance of control. Now did Zidane hurt his team? Of course he did. Leaves the game an idiot?....lol....funny, only someone who doesn't really like football can say that....he's one of the greats, and just did what he had to do.....not very useful considering it was the final of the WC, but an idiot he will never be.....Maradona, great coke addict, is still considered second best of all times.
