What Zidane says.......(live on french tv)
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Right on.. I think many take our North American "way" and apply it to the rest of the world which certainly isnt right at all. Many need to get out and learn the ways of other cultures. In many cultures, the mother insults are simply not tolerated and I dont think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that when in doubt, leave the family out of it and keep your mouth shut.franky66 said:
Well Zidane can't say what was said???
I wonder why??....I thought so all along. He is a coward. He was closely covered the whole game and the only way he had out of a game he was so greatly outmatched was to headbut the opposing player.
If he had no game left he should have just asked to be subbed out.
The insults were obviously nothing. We don't know what insults Zidane made to start the whole maddness.
one thing is for sure Zidane is A LIAR.
The news finally came out that Matterazzzis mother had died when he was young so obviously Zidane was lying about insults to his mother.
Shame on Zidane
I wonder why??....I thought so all along. He is a coward. He was closely covered the whole game and the only way he had out of a game he was so greatly outmatched was to headbut the opposing player.
If he had no game left he should have just asked to be subbed out.
The insults were obviously nothing. We don't know what insults Zidane made to start the whole maddness.
one thing is for sure Zidane is A LIAR.
The news finally came out that Matterazzzis mother had died when he was young so obviously Zidane was lying about insults to his mother.
Shame on Zidane
I don't agree with this.Benhur said:
I grew up in Latin America and have researched oriental (and Middle Eastern/Arab) swearing expressions, too.
Because the women are kind of "sacred" the insults always focus on them... they are more insulting that way!
I cringe when I consider some of them... we don't even dream of such rot... I have never heard them in all my years in Canada... and as a lawyer not always representing the most pristine members of society, I have "been around"!
I think its the exact opposite of what you conclude...
Perry
I'm actually disgusted with Zidanes comments. A soccer legend looking for sympathy when he himself has played the mind game his entire career as well as his obvious "red card" history. He would have been better off saying he was pissed because he couldn't penetrate the Italian defense well enough to score and Matz got under his skin. Truley a pathetic attempt at self pitty.
Fuck if Matz threw the heads but while being insulted by Zidane ,the french would have caused a riot. The French need to admit that if it wasn't for the first penalty shot Zidane scored they would have never made it to penalty shots to decide the game. Admit you lost and get over it.
Fuck if Matz threw the heads but while being insulted by Zidane ,the french would have caused a riot. The French need to admit that if it wasn't for the first penalty shot Zidane scored they would have never made it to penalty shots to decide the game. Admit you lost and get over it.
Becks... you are not just a pretty face in the crowd... you're pretty smart...David Beckham 23 said:
Having read this thread with interest...It has become clear to me that alot of people find it acceptable to "trash talk" in sports....
"Trash Talking" has now become alot more vicious and personal.... moving it from "trash talking" to taunting..... If Materazzi did say the things that he is accused of saying (by the lip readers, Zidane, etc) then is this not taunting?? Since when has it become acceptable in sports for you to taunt your opponents??? Yes I know there's a lot of it in sports, but it does not make it right...
Trash Talking = "nice shot buddy.... next time try to hit the backboard at least"
Whatever Materazzi said, it had to be good. I say good for Materazzi - fuck Zidane and France - and all the detractors (and no, I'm not Italian... and the furthest you'll find from a fan of Italian football). He took his licks and got the job done that he needed to do. Trash talking, dirty play, etc, is part of sports (and how you react as the opposition). As players, coaches or fans, it's a reality, I say deal with it and quit the whining. I'm very intense when competing, but never to the point that I would insult someone... just to stir up shit. I dont have a problem with retaliating with verbal barbs... and will dish it out if someone's giving it to me. I've been called names on the playing field - racial slurs and all, but I would never EVER do what Zidane did. Especially in the finals of the World Cup??? WTF???David Beckham 23 said:
Very selfish reaction on his part... cuz it was SO calculated what he did. In those brief moments, he rationalized it and said fuck the world... and exacted his revenge. Very, very selfish. Perhaps, knowing he would never be playing again, he did what he did cuz he knew he would never get a chance to pop the little puke????
Selfish reaction, any way you look at it. And we've seen it before... where the coach or key player does something to 'stir things up' to inspire their team onto victory... even if it means getting themselves ejected from a game to do it. Zidane's action wasnt even remotely noble. The smart thing to do if he was really that pissed off... is to finish the game, WIN, and then raise the issues after the game if it was really so offensive - what Materazzi said. The smart thing. Not the hot-headed, selfish thing. Very simple. Were there more time left in the game, he could have sought his revenge in 'another' way. Hell, it's a contact sport. Being able to 'take a shot' now and then is part of the game-within-the-game. I would have waited for my opportunity... and then 'accidentally' tripped Mr. Materazzi - or something to that effect. There are other ways to deal with chaps who like to stir up this kind of shit... Zidane throwing down a headbutt during extra time is plain foolish.
And for those who say it's just a game, I agree with the other poster who pointed out that this is NOT just a game. This a multi-billion dollar global industry. Players are social and cultural icons. That's like saying escorting isnt a 'real' job. Anyone what to challenge me on this point?
Now for Mr. Materazzi. His reactions remind of Dennis Rodman for some reason. Someone who's out there stirring up shit and getting people like Zidane ejected out of matches. You hate players like that and seeing their actions on the playing field... but if you're a teammate or coach you want them out there in crunch time EVERY time. I can think of lots of players like this in other sports too. These are the players that have no discretion with the things they say, kicking people in the balls, pinching nipples, pulling jerseys and all that crap. If they get under the skin of the opposition and cause them to falter as a result, then they've done their job. For all the whiners about Materazzi, I say suck it up and deal with it you babies. If it's that big a deal for the PLAYERS on the field, there are 'nicer' ways to fix guys like this. Zidane and France did not do this, so I say good for Materazzi... as long as his butt is willing to cash the cheque that his mouth wrote - to steal from another poster.
Until the moment of the headbutt, Zidane was the man of the tournament. I hope he is stripped of the Golden Ball. He's the fool for losing his cool. He's already paid a severe price by having to watch his team lose from the dressing room. If only he could have pulled this stunt during the Brazil game...
SK.
Yeah eh........too bad....since his performance against Brazil has been called one of the greatest ever by a lot of journalists.......but you know what.....you're entiltled to your opinion of Zidane.....I personnally love football, so :Scorpion King said:........ He's already paid a severe price by having to watch his team lose from the dressing room. If only he could have pulled this stunt during the Brazil game...
SK.
1) I have no respect for guys like Materazzi, what he did is not football.
2) Have always enjoyed great teams no matter what the country is, great football has to be admired, and my favorite game this year was Germany-Italy.
3) For those who know football, Zidane no matter how stupid his actions looked, no matter what the consequences were, remains a player that has given all football lovers a lot of great moments, great plays, and great goals.
Just like Maradona, who at times beat teams I loved, Rummenigge who eliminated France in 1982, I hated him and then had to admire the great scorer he was.
Zidane ,once the dust has settled, will remain one of the greats.
Materazzi Admits Insulting Zidane's Sister (but not mother)
See: http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?s...83364491S163
See: http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?s...83364491S163
Yes, but...
Catch what I'm sayin????
SK.
Not to refute your other good points, but imagine he didnt head butt Materazzi and France somehow went on to win. What do say THAT would have done for his legacy? I'm a fan of great football just like you. We may have to agree to disagree on this point, but the trash talking and so on are part of the game. Call it 'the game within the game' if you will. It's just like the teams that have a history for diving... as the opposition, you must prepare for this and prepare a team-game plan to deal with these sort of tactics. Though I had no problem with the officials on the Zidane incident, all I'm saying is that the players and coaching staff for the opposition (in this case Zidane and France), need to understand who they're playing against and deal with that accordingly.Benhur said:
Catch what I'm sayin????
SK.
What these two guys need to do is to settle this thing like men...both of them are doing a decent job by trying to keep it from escalating... but they are just skirting the issues...leaving the fans and the media to continue speculating..
FIFA is quite silly, and need to get involved for the good of the sport... Get these two men in a room, let them agree that they both fucked up and showed poor sportsmanship, blame it on the heat of a hard fought battle and then move on....
Materazzi can say something like "I love playing this game, I am honored to play for Italy, and I love winning... I am an emotional player, I get caught up in the game and I wanted to win this game at all cost..... This was a great game played well by two great teams... in the heat of this battle, I taunted Zidane...when he did not respond, I tried again and I got him to react... I am very sorry that this incident has created such a negative buzz around our beautiful game... Zidane is a great player, and I hope that he can accept my apology for anything that I said in the game"
Zidane can say pretty much the same thing, and this time, he should leave out the fact that he does not regret his behaviour because that is just a dumb thing to say..
So far, I still have respect for Materazzi as he is trying not to allow the crap on the field to follow them off the field... but they really need to take some bolder steps...
FIFA is quite silly, and need to get involved for the good of the sport... Get these two men in a room, let them agree that they both fucked up and showed poor sportsmanship, blame it on the heat of a hard fought battle and then move on....
Materazzi can say something like "I love playing this game, I am honored to play for Italy, and I love winning... I am an emotional player, I get caught up in the game and I wanted to win this game at all cost..... This was a great game played well by two great teams... in the heat of this battle, I taunted Zidane...when he did not respond, I tried again and I got him to react... I am very sorry that this incident has created such a negative buzz around our beautiful game... Zidane is a great player, and I hope that he can accept my apology for anything that I said in the game"
Zidane can say pretty much the same thing, and this time, he should leave out the fact that he does not regret his behaviour because that is just a dumb thing to say..
So far, I still have respect for Materazzi as he is trying not to allow the crap on the field to follow them off the field... but they really need to take some bolder steps...
Zidane should keep the MVP, and I hope his legacy isn't totally tarnished by this episode -- I can think of many, many worse failures by big-name athletes, and most of them are (mostly) still highly respected. Zidane's a passionate guy and a helluva footballer, I feel bad for him. He must be feeling really lousy about losing it.
Materazzi is a scumbag indeed. But it was a 'brilliant ploy'* and Italy deserved the win after that stage in the match.
* similar to the '72 Cda Cup when coach got Bobby Clarke to take out Karlamov's ankle?
Materazzi is a scumbag indeed. But it was a 'brilliant ploy'* and Italy deserved the win after that stage in the match.
* similar to the '72 Cda Cup when coach got Bobby Clarke to take out Karlamov's ankle?
Why is it, everytime the Zidane incident comes up, I keep visualizing the movie Slapshot?
I guess he never saw it.
I guess he never saw it.
dude, Zidane is a living legend. One of the very greatest players to play this game. Diego had all sorts of problems with drugs(post 1990), cheating(86 world cup) and violence (82 World cup). He is still regarded as one of the very very very best players ever despite all this.trumpet65 said:
This will blow over in a while and it will be business as usual.
Even Pele has had his problems albeit off field.
These men are human.
Shut upwonkyknee said:
Pele 2 world cup(58 and 70) titles (3 actually but he only played one match in 1962 due to injury)
Diego won 1 in 1986 and got a silver medal in 1990
Zidane won in 98 and silver in 2006 (and a Euro 2000). Zidane is 34 and long ago said he was retiring. Materazzi is 32 and on his last legs too.
Zidane may be a has been after this cup(Golden Ball for Mr Washed up eh)
MaterNazi is a NEVER WAS
