What Would a Real Renewable Energy Transition Look Like?

[JohnLarue]

Expansion of existing capacity and construction of new pipelines
from Russia to China is in progress. Absent disintegration of Russia
brought on it by the NATO-US funded proxy way most of the supply
of the fuel to Europe will be redirected to China in a decade.

China and, perhaps to a lesser degree, India think ahead of the
energy future unlike the climate-change-obsessed west. They
won't let go the opportunity of gaining exclusive access to Earth's
most valuable fossil fuel resource trapped in Siberia.

India and China will charter their own independent energy paths governed by what they view as their own specific economic and geopolitical objectives.

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-six-times-more-new-coal-plants-than-other-countries-report-fin

China permitted more coal power plants last year than any time in the last seven years, according to a new report released this week. It's the equivalent of about two new coal power plants per week.

"Everybody else is moving away from coal and China seems to be stepping on the gas," she says. "We saw that China has six times as much plants starting construction as the rest of the world combined."

Last year's boom in new coal didn't come out of nowhere, says Yu, who notes that the domestic coal industry has long pushed the message that coal is a reliable form of energy security.

"When the energy crisis happened, when energy security is a big concern, the country just seeks solutions from coal by default," Yu says.

a global "transition " as you envision is a unrealistic fantasy

 

[JohnLarue]

Signs the transition to natural gas has begun though there
is still a long way to go.

May 17, 2020

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tanktransport.com

Sep 28, 2012

Natural gas-powered locomotive drives CN into eco-friendly(er) future

CN has retrofitted two of its existing diesel-fired locomotives to run mainly on natural gas

nationalpost.com

Natural Gas Trains

With high fuel expense, railroads are examining LNG options. They will need to develop solutions to technical, regulatory and safety concerns.

www.wearethepractitioners.com

get back to us when coal and oil consumption growth stops growing
a global "transition " as you envision is a unrealistic fantasy

 

[oil&gas]

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a global "transition " as you envision is a unrealistic fantasy

Reduction of carbon emission is not the objective of the global
transition I foresee although it may be attained anyway. I don't
expect coal to be phased out anytime soon.

Technology will be developed to capture emission from
coal power plants in selective locations; carbon dioxide
captured will be injected into (nearly) dead oil fields to
enhance recovery of oil that cannot be extracted otherwise.

 

[Frankfooter]

Meanwhile....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1831866152840261707

 

[roddermac]

Oil and gas aren't going anywhere for a while.

Blue water economy: Massive oil and gas discovery in Pakistan's water - Times of India

Pakistan News: A major petroleum and natural gas deposit has been found in Pakistan's territorial waters after a three-year survey. This discovery could significantl

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

https://www.livemint.com/industry/infrastructure/oil-gas-reserve-found-in-pakistani-waters-likely-to-be-fourth-largest-in-world-report-11725729715287.html

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/massive-oil-discovery-in-pakistan-spurs-hope-of-economic-revival-report-101725763643726.html

 

[JohnLarue]

Reduction of carbon emission is not the objective of the global
transition I foresee although it may be attained anyway. I don't
expect coal to be phased out anytime soon.

Technology will be developed to capture emission from
coal power plants in selective locations; carbon dioxide
captured will be injected into (nearly) dead oil fields to
enhance recovery of oil that cannot be extracted otherwise.

carbon capture / sequestration on a scale required to make a meaningful difference in global co2 emissions s also a fantasy

how close are coal power plants to (nearly) dead oil fields ?

a fantasy

 

[oil&gas]

carbon capture / sequestration on a scale required to make a meaningful difference in global co2 emissions s also a fantasy

how close are coal power plants to (nearly) dead oil fields ?

a fantasy

With certain kind of small inactive oil field there is
an enhanced recovery technology of pumping a polymer
fluid into the reservoir to force remaining oil out. With
massive depleted oil field I have no idea what else
other than a coal power plant that can provide a source of
a steady flow of a chemically non-reactive gas for
the same purpose.

It must be Steven Guilbeault the lunatic, Jonathan Wilkinson
or some other climate hypocrites among Trudeau's liberals who
has been floating the idea of demanding oil companies to employ
carbon capture technology as the means to achieve zero emission.
I imagine the technology referred to was capable of removal of
CO2 from earth's atmosphere. It is indeed fantasy. And yet the fantasy
serves Trudeau's climate warriors beautifully by suckering climate
sheeple voters to believe the bogus net zero target is no fantasy.

That is not the carbon capture I was talking about in my post.

 

[JohnLarue]

With certain kind of small inactive oil field there is
an enhanced recovery technology of pumping a polymer
fluid into the reservoir to force remaining oil out. With
massive depleted oil field I have no idea what else
other than a coal power plant that can provide a source of
a steady flow of a chemically non-reactive gas for
the same purpose.

It must be Steven Guilbeault the lunatic, Jonathan Wilkinson
or some other climate hypocrites among Trudeau's liberals who
has been floating the idea of demanding oil companies to employ
carbon capture technology as the means to achieve zero emission.
I imagine the technology referred to was capable of removal of
CO2 from earth's atmosphere. It is indeed fantasy. And yet the fantasy
serves Trudeau's climate warriors beautifully by suckering climate
sheeple voters to believe the bogus net zero target is no fantasy.

That is not the carbon capture I was talking about in my post.

really ???
sure sounds like it is the carbon capture you were talking about in your post.

Technology will be developed to capture emission from
coal power plants in selective locations; carbon dioxide
captured will be injected into (nearly) dead oil fields to
enhance recovery of oil that cannot be extracted otherwise.

 

[oil&gas]

really ???
sure sounds like it is the carbon capture you were talking about in your post.

I guess it works like siphoning away smoke emission from the chimney
on top of a house burning wood in winter. I expect the economy of such
operation would depend on the proximity of the coal plant to the oil field.
And the oil field has to be a sizable one as well for construction of a pipeline
worthwhile.

Waste emission of coal burning is highly polluting. Trapping it has merits.

This post is my last response to your comments in this thread. I am
done. Bye.

 

[JohnLarue]

I guess it works like siphoning away smoke emission from the chimney
on top of a house burning wood in winter. I expect the economy of such
operation would depend on the proximity of the coal plant to the oil field.
And the oil field has to be a sizable one as well for construction of a pipeline
worthwhile.

Waste emission of coal burning is highly polluting. Trapping it has merits.

This post is my last response to your comments in this thread. I am
done. Bye.

Actually a modern coal fired generation plant will produce next to zero pollution and next to zero fly ash
it will produce CO2 / plant food, however you indicated co2 emissions/ plant food is not the primary driver for selecting a fuel source
good luck permitting a new coal fired plant in north America, strictly due to mis guided political reasons


Having a vision is of little value if you have not thought it through carefully and thoroughly
bye-bye

 

[Frankfooter]

Actually a modern coal fired generation plant will produce next to zero pollution and next to zero fly ash
it will produce CO2 / plant food, however you indicated co2 emissions/ plant food is not the primary driver for selecting a fuel source
good luck permitting a new coal fired plant in north America, strictly due to mis guided political reasons


Having a vision is of little value if you have not thought it through carefully and thoroughly
bye-bye

Why do you keep arguing for more expensive and dirtier options?

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[HungSowel]

Scrubbers on Coal plants are able to capture particulate matter at the expense of significant energy usage, ~30% of the power output is used to power the scrubbers. CO2 and other gases like Nitrous Oxide and Sulfur Oxide are not captured.

When Nitrous Oxide mixes with water vapor in the atmosphere it creates Nitric Acid, when Sulfur Oxide mixes with water vapor it creates Sulfuric Acid, in other words they create acid rain.

 

[JohnLarue]

Scrubbers on Coal plants are able to capture particulate matter at the expense of significant energy usage, ~30% of the power output is used to power the scrubbers. CO2 and other gases like Nitrous Oxide and Sulfur Oxide are not captured.

do you think carbon capture will be energy free?
do you think all the copper / aluminum , iron and rare earths require for net zero will be energy free?

When Nitrous Oxide mixes with water vapor in the atmosphere it creates Nitric Acid, when Sulfur Oxide mixes with water vapor it creates Sulfuric Acid, in other words they create acid rain.

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What Happened to Acid Rain?

During the 1970s and ’80s, acid rain was one of the most well-known environmental problems in Europe and North America, but what has happened to it since?

www.britannica.com

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The acid rain problem in Europe and North America has largely abated because of stronger SO2 and NOx emission controls, such as the U.S. Clean Air Act of 1970,

Power plant emissions of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides continue to decline in 2012 - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

February 27, 2013Power plant emissions of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides continue to decline in 2012

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=10151#

Emissions

of sulfur dioxide (SO2) and nitrogen oxides (NOx) from the electric power sector in 2012 declined to their lowest level since the passage of the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990. The decline in emissions is due primarily to an increasing number of coal-fired units retrofitted with flue-gas desulfurization (FGD), or scrubbers, to coal plants switching to lower sulfur coal, and to selective catalytic reduction (SCRs), selective noncatalytic reduction (SNCR), or low NOx burners to limit NOx emissions.

from Canadas national energy board

CER – ARCHIVED – Coal-Fired Power Generation: A Perspective - Energy Briefing Note

ARCHIVED - Coal-Fired Power Generation: A Perspective - Energy Briefing Note

www.cer-rec.gc.ca

There is also public concern about the environmental effects of the emissions from coal-fired generation. Modern Canadian plants can minimize emissions by: using advanced burners to control the production of the various oxides of nitrogen (NOX); installing precipitators and scrubbers to remove pollutants; and having access to low sulphur coal, like generating plants in Alberta and Saskatchewan, which minimizes production of oxides of sulphur (SOX).

The National Energy Board (NEB or the Board) is an independent federal agency that regulates several aspects of Canada's energy industry. Its purpose is to promote safety and security, environmental protection and efficient energy infrastructure and markets in the Canadian public interest[*] within the mandate set by Parliament in the regulation of pipelines, energy development and trade.

now i am not advocating for the restart of coal fired power plants - at least not until t he looming rolling brown outs become a fact of life
However, coal is a good example of how the envior movement uses perception / and the naivety of the public to push too far

 

[Frankfooter]

now i am not advocating for the restart of coal fired power plants - at least not until t he looming rolling brown outs become a fact of life
However, coal is a good example of how the envior movement uses perception / and the naivety of the public to push too far

You just advocated for more coal?
amazing

 

[JohnLarue]

You just advocated for more coal?
amazing

you really need to sign up for high school equivalence classes

your reading comprehension is as bad as your judgement
neither of which are as bad as your ethics

i state:
''now i am not advocating for the restart of coal fired power plants ''

and somehow you interrupt the exact opposite

you still wear the dunce cap

 

[Frankfooter]

you really need to sign up for high school equivalence classes

your reading comprehension is as bad as your judgement
neither of which are as bad as your ethics

i state:
''now i am not advocating for the restart of coal fired power plants ''

and somehow you interrupt the exact opposite

you still wear the dunce cap

However.....

Larue, you are still a science denier pushing for not only fossil fuels, but the dirtiest and more expensive of the options.
You declared a long time ago something to the effect that if the scientists are right then climate change would be the biggest crime against humanity ever.

We know now, the scientists are right.

 

[james t kirk]

"As we’ll see, the evidence shows that the transition is still in its earliest stages, and at the current rate, it will fail to avert a climate catastrophe in which an unimaginable number of people will either die or be forced to migrate, with most ecosystems transformed beyond recognition."

Soon as he wrote this I stopped reading. He's just another card carrying member of the climate doomsday cult.

Besides, way too long to read and I've got to get up and go to work.

 

[Frankfooter]

"As we’ll see, the evidence shows that the transition is still in its earliest stages, and at the current rate, it will fail to avert a climate catastrophe in which an unimaginable number of people will either die or be forced to migrate, with most ecosystems transformed beyond recognition."

Soon as he wrote this I stopped reading. He's just another card carrying member of the climate doomsday cult.

Besides, way too long to read and I've got to get up and go to work.

Short version.

At 1.5ºC we likely hit a series of massive climate change tipping points.
We touched 1.5ºC last year, when that becomes the average and not a peak we are in trouble, that will be in a few years.

First major tipping point you need to check is the AMOC shutdown.

 

[james t kirk]

Short version.

At 1.5ºC we likely hit a series of massive climate change tipping points.
We touched 1.5ºC last year, when that becomes the average and not a peak we are in trouble, that will be in a few years.

First major tipping point you need to check is the AMOC shutdown.

Wow 1.5 C!

If we as a species can't survive 1.5 C change in temperature, we DESERVE to go extinct.

I've been waiting for the climate doomsday for 40 years and nothing is happening. People are starting to catch on that it's all a steaming pile of bullshit.

 

[Frankfooter]

Wow 1.5 C!

If we as a species can't survive 1.5 C change in temperature, we DESERVE to go extinct.

I've been waiting for the climate doomsday for 40 years and nothing is happening. People are starting to catch on that it's all a steaming pile of bullshit.

The ignorance of some people is shocking.
What percentage of an IAU is 1.5ºC, captain?