What To Do about Gun Violence in Toronto?

[JuanGoodman]

What To Do about Gun Violence in Toronto?

Can we agree that one way to address the issue of gun violence right away, would be to change the sentencing of the people that are responsible. If you get caught carrying a loaded gun in public , that is an automatic 10 years sentence. No parole, no excuses no leniency. You will STAY in jail for 10 years!!! And courts would treat those charges immediately, it would be priority number one trial. No bail, straight to jail.( that has a nice ring to it, don't you think? Almost like an election slogan "NO BAIL, STRAIGHT TO JAIL") I'm sure it would make at least some of the folks think twice about playing with guns.

It might not be a deterrent for all, but possibly for some and anyway the once that were caught wouldn't be around us for a long time.


That is something we could do right away, tomorrow! If only there was political will. It would not be cure for all but at least it would be a start. A first step in the right direction. At least it would answer some of the victims family's cry's "DO SOMETHING !!!"

 

[Charlemagne]

What To Do about Gun Violence in Toronto?

Can we agree that one way to address the issue of gun violence right away, would be to change the sentencing of the people that are responsible. If you get caught carrying a loaded gun in public , that is an automatic 10 years sentence. No parole, no excuses no leniency. You will STAY in jail for 10 years!!! And courts would treat those charges immediately, it would be priority number one trial. No bail, straight to jail.( that has a nice ring to it, don't you think? Almost like an election slogan "NO BAIL, STRAIGHT TO JAIL") I'm sure it would make at least some of the folks think twice about playing with guns.

It might not be a deterrent for all, but possibly for some and anyway the once that were caught wouldn't be around us for a long time.


That is something we could do right away, tomorrow! If only there was political will. It would not be cure for all but at least it would be a start. A first step in the right direction. At least it would answer some of the victims family's cry's "DO SOMETHING !!!"

Sentencing does not deter it in the States. I doubt it will here as well. The people who live the high risk lifestyle know they will end up in jail, dead, or paralyzed.

 

[Butler1000]

A nice blitz like the one after the Jane Creba shooting would work nicely. Took alot of gang members off the streets.

There appears to be a war on. So place them all into custody on whatever charges you can and let them sort it out in jail awaiting trial.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

Talk and complain about it on Terb.

 

[John Henry]

What To Do about Gun Violence in Toronto?

Can we agree that one way to address the issue of gun violence right away, would be to change the sentencing of the people that are responsible. If you get caught carrying a loaded gun in public , that is an automatic 10 years sentence. No parole, no excuses no leniency. You will STAY in jail for 10 years!!! And courts would treat those charges immediately, it would be priority number one trial. No bail, straight to jail.( that has a nice ring to it, don't you think? Almost like an election slogan "NO BAIL, STRAIGHT TO JAIL") I'm sure it would make at least some of the folks think twice about playing with guns.

It might not be a deterrent for all, but possibly for some and anyway the once that were caught wouldn't be around us for a long time.


That is something we could do right away, tomorrow! If only there was political will. It would not be cure for all but at least it would be a start. A first step in the right direction. At least it would answer some of the victims family's cry's "DO SOMETHING !!!"

I agree with that . It may not stop all the shootings but it might with some . I'd say put the bastards in work gangs like they used to do in the Southern States .

I'd say 20 years in prison . No if's and's or but's . We'll see how tough these gang members will be then.

Feel sorry about the public getting in the middle of a shooting but as for the gang members killing each other . GO FOR IT .

 

[curr3n_c1000]

A nice blitz like the one after the Jane Creba shooting would work nicely. Took alot of gang members off the streets.

There appears to be a war on. So place them all into custody on whatever charges you can and let them sort it out in jail awaiting trial.

Didn't they do a huge sweep after the shooting at the NBA championship ceremony?

 

[Indiana]

Where are they getting the ammunition?

 

[unassuming]

There was another arrests/sweeps today by police-usual drugs, guns...

 

[Charlemagne]

How about going after the suppliers of the drugs and guns?

 

[shack]

Talk and complain about it on Terb.

Move.

 

[RZG]

Take the leash off the Cops and get the legal/court system to STFU and look the other way for a while, the Cops know what needs to be done. Of course this ain`t happening in the land that rewards terrorists with large cash prizes. No politician would consider it either...certain political suicide. All the gun bans, background checks mean nothing.. won`t change a thing.

 

[kugel2]

What To Do about Gun Violence in Toronto?

Can we agree that one way to address the issue of gun violence right away, would be to change the sentencing of the people that are responsible. If you get caught carrying a loaded gun in public , that is an automatic 10 years sentence. No parole, no excuses no leniency. You will STAY in jail for 10 years!!! And courts would treat those charges immediately, it would be priority number one trial. No bail, straight to jail.( that has a nice ring to it, don't you think? Almost like an election slogan "NO BAIL, STRAIGHT TO JAIL") I'm sure it would make at least some of the folks think twice about playing with guns.

It might not be a deterrent for all, but possibly for some and anyway the once that were caught wouldn't be around us for a long time.


That is something we could do right away, tomorrow! If only there was political will. It would not be cure for all but at least it would be a start. A first step in the right direction. At least it would answer some of the victims family's cry's "DO SOMETHING !!!"

The last Conservative government set up mandatory minimums for gun crimes. The Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional. That horse is dead.

 

[Grimnul]

I don’t like mandatory minimums because every case is different. There are a lot of people in the U.S. serving long sentences for minor crimes that didn’t hurt anyone because there was a mandatory minimum sentence, and that’s horrible. The U.S. penal system has a lot of problems and we’re better off being as far away from their system as possible.

Consider: you’re a gun owner, you own a legal, registered firearm, you’ve never used it irresponsibly. One day, you go to the gun range, on the way back, you get an urgent call and have to rush over somewhere. Maybe a family member is in the hospital, I dunno. Anyway, in all the chaos, you forget to take your gun out of the car, and a couple days later you get pulled over for speeding, and the cop finds your gun. You’re now looking at a 10 year sentence.

Bad idea. Jurisprudence is important. Judges don’t always make the right call, but it’s necessary to allow them to use their own judgment when handing down sentences because some crimes are more serious than others, and not all cases deserve the same sentence.

 

[JuanGoodman]

What To Do about Gun Violence in Toronto?

Move.

I hope you meant that only for me, not everyone who is concerned?

 

[JuanGoodman]

Talk and complain about it on Terb.

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step"

 

[JuanGoodman]

A nice blitz like the one after the Jane Creba shooting would work nicely. Took alot of gang members off the streets.

There appears to be a war on. So place them all into custody on whatever charges you can and let them sort it out in jail awaiting trial.

I think the problem with a blitz is the lack of strong laws. That's why Canadian courts are sometimes referred to as revolving doors.They will be out fast.

 

[JuanGoodman]

Where are they getting the ammunition?

Anyone with a License can get ammunition from a store or on line. There is no way to trace ammunition.

 

[tombstoned23]

I don’t like mandatory minimums because every case is different. There are a lot of people in the U.S. serving long sentences for minor crimes that didn’t hurt anyone because there was a mandatory minimum sentence, and that’s horrible. The U.S. penal system has a lot of problems and we’re better off being as far away from their system as possible.

Consider: you’re a gun owner, you own a legal, registered firearm, you’ve never used it irresponsibly. One day, you go to the gun range, on the way back, you get an urgent call and have to rush over somewhere. Maybe a family member is in the hospital, I dunno. Anyway, in all the chaos, you forget to take your gun out of the car, and a couple days later you get pulled over for speeding, and the cop finds your gun. You’re now looking at a 10 year sentence.

Bad idea. Jurisprudence is important. Judges don’t always make the right call, but it’s necessary to allow them to use their own judgment when handing down sentences because some crimes are more serious than others, and not all cases deserve the same sentence.

For non restricted firearms this is not an issue. You can keep an unloaded non restricted firearm locked in your vehicle unattended for storage and transport. There is no restriction on where you can be transporting the firearm.

With restricted it becomes a different issue. The transportation of these firearms is usually the shortest path within reason to the gun range and back. If a person was to forget he had a firearm in in his vehicle he'd likely be charged.

But I'd argue that this person was not a responsible gun owner if they left their restricted firearm in their car and got pulled over. Before you get your license these are the things they teach you. If you are part of it, you know legal gun owners of Canada do a pretty good job of following the law.

 

[JuanGoodman]

I don’t like mandatory minimums because every case is different. There are a lot of people in the U.S. serving long sentences for minor crimes that didn’t hurt anyone because there was a mandatory minimum sentence, and that’s horrible. The U.S. penal system has a lot of problems and we’re better off being as far away from their system as possible.

Consider: you’re a gun owner, you own a legal, registered firearm, you’ve never used it irresponsibly. One day, you go to the gun range, on the way back, you get an urgent call and have to rush over somewhere. Maybe a family member is in the hospital, I dunno. Anyway, in all the chaos, you forget to take your gun out of the car, and a couple days later you get pulled over for speeding, and the cop finds your gun. You’re now looking at a 10 year sentence.

Bad idea. Jurisprudence is important. Judges don’t always make the right call, but it’s necessary to allow them to use their own judgment when handing down sentences because some crimes are more serious than others, and not all cases deserve the same sentence.

Well, all good points. But, first of all in your example you already have a gun license so the law could be warded to consider that fact. Even though you would still be technically breaking a law it would not be the same if an unlicensed guy was carrying a gun. I'm just saying how I
would define that mandatory minimum law, If it was up to me. And also as a licensed gun owner your gun would be in a locked bag or a box with a trigger lock on the gun and ammunition stored in a separate, locked box or bag as well when in your car. What I'm talking about, is a guy without a license carrying a loaded gun without a trigger lock and not in a locked container. I'm sure some special exceptions could be put into that law to deal with similar incidences that you mentioned. The intention of that law would have to be to deal with someone carrying a loaded gun without a license.

 

[Grimnul]

Well, the point of mandatory minimums is that they’re are no exceptions. I could see maybe something like if you’re arrested for committing a crime, your sentence is doubled if you were carrying a gun at the time. Gives judges a little more wiggle room to work with. Even that’s a pretty imperfect solution, though. Really, we just need judges to enforce the law properly and give appropriate sentences rather than trying to activists and giving violent thugs light sentences because “they can be rehabilitated”.