What is with this "No Black men" prohibition?

VirginJohn

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If your studies are leading to being marked, you will likely fail on the basis that you have posited racism as, on your part, an unexamined fact. As opposed to looking at preference or other alternatives. Unless you can divine what is in a person's heart how do you jump to the conclusion that it is racism and not preference? Simple answer is your mind was made up. I believe in this day and age your bad spelling will not hold you back in the world of academia. Too bad. That said, I think you are safe. I suspect you are just floating it out there as opposed to a bona fide academic treatise of value. The latter differs from pseudo-intellectual posturing.

And the issue of SPs not wanting to fuck black men as a Human Rights issue has been thoroughly discredited by some great research on this board. Luddites like you seem to think that an escort could/should be legislated to allow anyone with the money to insert their penis into her body. Sex against a woman’s will is rape and pre-empts commerce. Exemplars such as you that posit HRC at every twist and turn are classic examples of the whining, entitlement oriented product of the ever intrusive Nanny State.
What do you do? Are you a professor, editor or something?
 

simon482

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This is not a question of preference, but a question of service. What makes the difference. It is a question of stereotypes and assumptions about the Black people that I have mentioned in my original post. When you start making stereotypes about people you don't know...(i.e. all blacks are criminals, they will attract police into my establishment, rape me and steal my money and phone, etc... blacks are trouble....) then that sounds more discriminatory than preference.

As far as fat clients are concerned, I don't think there are many escorts that will refuse service because a client is ugly or fat. It goes with the territory that is how they make some of their money...unless they are skinny and they want to go on top of them and crush them, that's another story.

So, I think the difference between a preference and a discrimination has to be what assumptions or stereotypes behind a group of people are implied by the statements, and what is just someone's natural preference. Since I don't see black escorts, or Chinese, or Indian escorts saying no white men, or wanting only black men, (which you may see in an adult sex site) then it sounds like something is up here.
sounds like they have a preference. they don't want to have sex with a particular group of people, doesn't mean they hate the people just means they don't want to sleep with them.
 

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VirginJohn, just a couple of months ago there was an extensive thread about this topic. Although I understand your sense of hurt, at the same time I don't believe you seriously mean to imply that any SP should have to see anyone she does not wish to for whatever reason.
 

simon482

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VirginJohn, just a couple of months ago there was an extensive thread about this topic. Although I understand your sense of hurt, at the same time I don't believe you seriously mean to imply that any SP should have to see anyone she does not wish to for whatever reason.
no, i think that is exactly what he is saying.
 

Celticman

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What do you do? Are you a professor, editor or something?
Businessman with a Doctorate, who has also seen a tougher side of life than most.
 

Celticman

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VirginJohn, just a couple of months ago there was an extensive thread about this topic. Although I understand your sense of hurt, at the same time I don't believe you seriously mean to imply that any SP should have to see anyone she does not wish to for whatever reason.
I think he meant what he said and said what he meant. A little like the duck analogy. And I am giving me head a shake here because I am agreeing with Simon :)
 

VirginJohn

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sounds like they have a preference. they don't want to have sex with a particular group of people, doesn't mean they hate the people just means they don't want to sleep with them.
It does mean that there are stereotypes that are affixed to the group that they do not want to sleep with, which I addressed on my first post. Whether or not these stereotypes are founded or not is the point of this thread.

So far, only one poster has contributed by saying a black person tried to rob an SP and gun-point or was affiliated with a gang. To bad this thread is not attracting more stories out of the woodwork.
 

VirginJohn

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VirginJohn, just a couple of months ago there was an extensive thread about this topic. Although I understand your sense of hurt, at the same time I don't believe you seriously mean to imply that any SP should have to see anyone she does not wish to for whatever reason.
I wouldn't know about that tread topic. I am not hurt by this because I could visit any one of these escorts and I'd fly under any "black" radar. Remember, I masturbate on escort pics. If ads said, nobody can masturbate on me but you have to call instead to book a session, that would be more personal.
 

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This week I visited Catherine and I thought I should share this story because it actually shocked me in the sense that I thought that only happened in movies. I am of mixed descent and fairly new to Canada and... well I am also under 30. At the end of the session she actually told me a story about how one colored (That's the word she used) came over, stole her money and phone and was also carrying a gun and how a military guy actually saved her life. I am FAR from racist but in all honesty some - black -, not to be confused with African because well african americans (or canadians) are totally different from African men, the former have created a huge fear factor associated with violence, drugs and gang related activities. The funny thing about the whole situation to me is... there is no way you can tell my ethnicity over the phone... Catherine actually though I was french... mind you it's not very far from the truth. On another note I have had SPs refuse to service me after knowing I am younger.
If you want to be protected as a group then you must be willing to be judged as a group.
 

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So far, only one poster has contributed by saying a black person tried to rob an SP and gun-point or was affiliated with a gang. To bad this thread is not attracting more stories out of the woodwork.
It sounds like you're more interested in hearing stories that promote the racial stereotype of black thug as opposed to being worried about a discrimination issue.
 

Celticman

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It sounds like you're more interested in hearing stories that promote the racial stereotype of black thug as opposed to being worried about a discrimination issue.
Well put shack.
 

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It seems a number of SP's don't wish to see black clients. I imagine there are different rationales: for some it's just a physical preference and for others it'd be due to certain more deeply rooted prejudices. You'd have to ask them to really know. Either way, they choose to discriminate on this criteria. And they have the absolute right to do so. Whether it's racist or not is going to depend on people's definition of the term and it's something not likely to be resolved in this thread. It's a pointless debate and these types of threads just end up getting nasty. So can we just let it go?

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Just say you are "Dark Irish" (not Black). You are a descendant of handsome Spanish Catholic sailors from the Spanish Armada washed ashore in Ireland saved by kind gentle Irish Catholics, hence your dark handsome looks.
 

The Fruity Hare

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This is not a question of preference, but a question of service. What makes the difference. It is a question of stereotypes and assumptions about the Black people that I have mentioned in my original post. When you start making stereotypes about people you don't know...(i.e. all blacks are criminals, they will attract police into my establishment, rape me and steal my money and phone, etc... blacks are trouble....) then that sounds more discriminatory than preference.

As far as fat clients are concerned, I don't think there are many escorts that will refuse service because a client is ugly or fat. It goes with the territory that is how they make some of their money...unless they are skinny and they want to go on top of them and crush them, that's another story.

So, I think the difference between a preference and a discrimination has to be what assumptions or stereotypes behind a group of people are implied by the statements, and what is just someone's natural preference. Since I don't see black escorts, or Chinese, or Indian escorts saying no white men, or wanting only black men, (which you may see in an adult sex site) then it sounds like something is up here.
There are in fact a number of Chinese escorts who will not see white men. I have seen other ads that were directed only at Indian men. When I see these ads, I do not wring my hands in anguish and wonder why not me? Nor do I start a thread on Terb or any other board. I simply move on to the next ad and continue with my life, generally angst free.




It does mean that there are stereotypes that are affixed to the group that they do not want to sleep with, which I addressed on my first post. Whether or not these stereotypes are founded or not is the point of this thread.

So far, only one poster has contributed by saying a black person tried to rob an SP and gun-point or was affiliated with a gang. To bad this thread is not attracting more stories out of the woodwork.
This is quite likely because many other members have contributed to the many similar threads in the past and are just tired of doing so now. Starting one thread, starting two threads, starting a hundred threads on the topic will not change the fact that some women prefer not to see some men.

If you are going to make a human rights issue out of it, keep us posted as thus far we have only speculated that such a complaint would be laughed out the door. We could be wrong, so let us now.

Thanks.
 

LuxeLadyAmber

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Preferences and racism are 2 different things. Although the lines may seem blurry, when one reduces an entire race or ethnicity to a particular behaviour - regardless of where they come from (i.e. West Indies vs. Jamaican), that is racism, and IMHO, it sucks! Can one compare Nelson Mandela to Fifty Cent etc. etc. based on skin pigmentation? The wonderful David Suzuki did a powerful and sound doc on this topic (trailer: http://vimeo.com/16518094).

Yes, this type of thread is tiresome, but unfortunately still necessary, as are efforts to quell such silly disparities....
 

HEYHEY

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So what steps can we as a society take to redress this discriminatory practice? I suppose one can make a complaint to the Human Rights commission and claim they were excluded from service because they were black.
This is Black History month and in order to study how far this country has progressed I have taken the task to look at different escort ads to see evidence of racism as part of my studies

Now, I've been browsing through different escort ads and can't help but see the amount of ads that say "No black men", or "No yonge black men".


I'm going to list a number of these ads here:

INDIAN SPs.

1. http://toronto.nowtoronto.com/Femal...a-slim-sexy-eindain-all-nite-long-21/15396602

2. http://toronto.nowtoronto.com/Femal...dale-indain-beauty20-mins-special-20/15394733



WHITE SPs:

1. http://toronto.nowtoronto.com/FemaleEscorts/xox-summer-is-here-come-warm-up-with-me-xox-22/15394793

2. http://toronto.nowtoronto.com/Femal...call-specials-stay-home-and-relax-19/15397450

3. http://toronto.nowtoronto.com/Femal...tite-playmate-with-a-dicious-ooty-20/15328143

4. http://toronto.nowtoronto.com/FemaleEscorts/sw33t-tght-blonde-treat-vip-outcalls-xoxoxo-19/14558490

5. http://toronto.nowtoronto.com/FemaleEscorts/classy-stunning-all-natural-e-40/15331110

6. http://toronto.nowtoronto.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-niki-tanned-brunnette-hottie-21/15149639

7.

Some prohibitions would be more specific. (i.e. no yonge black men, or no black men under 40 years old)

1. http://toronto.nowtoronto.com/Femal...te-body-come-and-get-gret-specils-20/15389946

2. http://toronto.nowtoronto.com/Femal...-snow-storm-special-in-calls-only-18/15389803


The funny thing, even some black escorts will have ads up saying 'they like white guys', etc... implying their preference is for white clients.

Personally, I don't really care about this since people do not know where I'm from. People have mistaken me for Egyptian, Indian, or some other exotic race so I'm not in particularly concerned about these ads. Second of all, I'm not really a hobbyist either.

But I find them interesting.

Now, I'm trying to figure out why this is so?

1. Black men can get sex for free by going on adult-friendfinder and don't need escorts anyway. (Lots of girls on there want Black guys anyway)

2. People are worried that black people have large dicks and this gets allot of escorts feeling weary of servicing them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyGOJ1_kcI8

3. My momma says that when immigrants come to Canada, they tend to suck up to the white man. But I don't think this proves anything since lots of escorts that don't want black clients happen to be white. With Indians or Black escorts, perhaps I can see this. This theory doesn't add up with white escorts because they are already white and have nothing to prove - and they are willing to do other minorities - just not blacks.

4. They are worried that the police will follow them into the incall location, or if too many blacks come into the area that it would attract the neighborhood's ire and police and shut down their operation - especially if the incall is in an upscale location.

5. They may ask their other black gang members to come with them and take over the incall location. Honestly, I have a cousin who worked at Shoppers Drug Mart and said she was threatened by a swarm of Black guys after work and was pushing in the plastic after the place had closed. She's black herself and after that incident she has always voted conservative.

6. Other hobbiests don't like to know their escorts are doing black c0ck. This will help their business. When other guys see their escorts have a 'no black men' sign, then they want to do business with them since they can't stand to know that pvssy took on a black hobbyest before them.

Apart from this, seriously, I'm curious as to what is with all this racism. How do black hobbists feel about this?


There is a very simple reason for this and a very simple solution, however you're not going to like it.

This is a group of men that have in the past been disrespectful to women and obviously there has been a pattern since its not just one person posting this.

What can be done about this? Talk to your homies and teach them some manners and how to act in public or in the presence of women. And while you're at it perhaps you can remind them that when they go to see a movie its not their personal living room when they can talk for 2 hours straight without any regard for anyone else lol
 

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Where's Big Ben? He usually has candid responses to threads like this...

Don't tell me has gone to the other side...or worse, become a mod.
 

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This is a group of men that have in the past been disrespectful to women and obviously there has been a pattern since its not just one person posting this.

What can be done about this? Talk to your homies and teach them some manners and how to act in public or in the presence of women. And while you're at it perhaps you can remind them that when they go to see a movie its not their personal living room when they can talk for 2 hours straight without any regard for anyone else lol
Amen to the above. But polite and civilized manners aside, every girl has the right to see or not see any client based on her preferences. If she is not comfortable with black men, you dont have the right to DEMAND service or DEMAND an explanation. She doesn't owe that to anyone. It may be a case of simple physical attraction. Just like there are girls who specifically want to screw black guys, there are those who prefer NOT to screw black guys. Get over it, move on to a girl who is open to it.

This sense of entitlement has got to stop.
 
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