What if Ukraine falls? This is no longer a hypothetical question – and it must be answered urgently

[squeezer]

Iran? Dropping a couple of bombs on nuclear facilities to slow down a weapons program is not the same as invading a sovereign neighbor with the intent to conquer and erase its borders. Let’s not pretend those are remotely comparable.

What happened when the west did that to Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and now Iran?

You brought up Iran, by the way, not me.

No, I did not! Notti did and I was replying to him. The US did not go to war with Iran; they dropped the bombs on the nuclear sites and left. That was it and that was my point.

I do agree with you though, on Trump being a moron in his first term and throwing out the NPT with Iran.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Lots of videos of tanks being remanned. They are stripped down and upgraded to the newest spec for that tank. Since the T-34 Russia has been at the forefront of tank technology. When the Soviet union fell. NATO was shock to discover that NATO guns could not penetrated Russian tanks while Russian tanks could slice thorough nato tanks. It was the USSR that first started using smoothbore main guns with APFSDS rounds now all tanks use them. Reactive armor was also a Soviet innovation. Its also Russia that started using wire guided drones. And even though the basic Geran drone was developed in Iran, Russia has taken it to a whole new level and is going from 700/day to 1000 a day by end of summer in production. 1000 precision hits with a 90 kg warhead a day. How do you deal with that?

Am sure there are lots of videos of tanks being repainted and repaired, because that is probably just how many tanks Ukraine has destroyed.
And I am not going to fact check your claims on Russian innovation, but what does that do for them anyway? Everyone has that tech today.
And do we need to talk about drones when Ukraine used tiny drones to destroy their long range bombers?
And what have all the "precision hits", tanks and drones gotten Russia?
Nothing. Just dead soldiers and a protracted stalemate of a war.

Its pretty funny that you can look at the death rate of Ukraine bullshit, see the massive cemeteries. See videos of their desperate measures to recruit new men and STILL believe it. From the same press that brought WMD. Ukraines military losses are about 1-1.4m as of today. Its hard to count sure, but over 250K have also deserted.

No Ukraine's military losses aren't 1M.
I posted the figures above.
It is the Russians that are fleeing Russia. Ukraine has had Ukrainians return to fight the war.
Yes am sure they have massive cemeteries because even the 70K deaths are massive.
The Russians on the other hand are probably getting ground up and left to fertilize the soil.
Yes there may be man power problems on both sides with Ukraine having strict conscription while the Russians are relying on prisoners and foreign mercenaries.
The bottom line is you have been pushing disinformation and making stuff up whenever Russia comes up and you have repeatedly made grand claims of how Russia is on top of this.
But the results on the ground are just the same.
They fail every single time and they dont achieve anything.

 

[nottyboi]

Am sure there are lots of videos of tanks being repainted and repaired, because that is probably just how many tanks Ukraine has destroyed.
And I am not going to fact check your claims on Russian innovation, but what does that do for them anyway? Everyone has that tech today.
And do we need to talk about drones when Ukraine used tiny drones to destroy their long range bombers?
And what have all the "precision hits", tanks and drones gotten Russia?
Nothing. Just dead soldiers and a protracted stalemate of a war.

No Ukraine's military losses aren't 1M.
I posted the figures above.
It is the Russians that are fleeing Russia. Ukraine has had Ukrainians return to fight the war.
Yes am sure they have massive cemeteries because even the 70K deaths are massive.
The Russians on the other hand are probably getting ground up and left to fertilize the soil.
Yes there may be man power problems on both sides with Ukraine having strict conscription while the Russians are relying on prisoners and foreign mercenaries.
The bottom line is you have been pushing disinformation and making stuff up whenever Russia comes up and you have repeatedly made grand claims of how Russia is on top of this.
But the results on the ground are just the same.
They fail every single time and they dont achieve anything.

Many tanks are hit by Ukraine, but they are quickly returned to combat The ones that are not fixable are stripped for parts. Like any army they have workshops not far from the line for most repairs and maint. For more serious repairs they are sent back to the factory. Its not news that a lot of tanks are being hit by drones. Ukraine his a few bombers with the help of the Aziri mafia, which is why there is all that friction between RUssia and the Aziris. The attack did nothing to blunt Russias ability to attack Ukraine from anywhere at any time as we are seeing now. One key goal of Russia is demilitarization. Their doctine is to liquidate the enemy until they collapse. Winning a quick war will only leave too many military aged men alive to cause them problems after the war. Your figures are fantasy figures not based on any reality. Russia was supposed to run out of missiles how long ago? Their economy was supposed to implode how long ago? Ukraine was supposed to reach Crimea how long ago?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Many tanks are hit by Ukraine, but they are quickly returned to combat The ones that are not fixable are stripped for parts. Like any army they have workshops not far from the line for most repairs and maint. For more serious repairs they are sent back to the factory. Its not news that a lot of tanks are being hit by drones. Ukraine his a few bombers with the help of the Aziri mafia, which is why there is all that friction between RUssia and the Aziris. The attack did nothing to blunt Russias ability to attack Ukraine from anywhere at any time as we are seeing now. One key goal of Russia is demilitarization. Their doctine is to liquidate the enemy until they collapse. Winning a quick war will only leave too many military aged men alive to cause them problems after the war. Your figures are fantasy figures not based on any reality. Russia was supposed to run out of missiles how long ago? Their economy was supposed to implode how long ago? Ukraine was supposed to reach Crimea how long ago?

Yeah we know that damaged equipment will be repaired. Big whoop. lmao.
And what have these repaired, refurbished, manufactured, re-manned, repainted equipment and their "military doctrine" gained Russia?
Nothing.
Just billions wasted that they could be using to take care of their poor population, and 100s of thousands of dead Russians in a futile stalemated war.
I asked the same question over and over again and I never get answers from you.
If Russia has such an advantage in equipment, tactics, strategy and manpower, why haven't they beaten Europe's poorest and weakest country in 3.5 years?
Either you are lying, or the Russians are bad at war or Ukraine is badass. Which is it?
I think it is a combination of all three.

 

[oil&gas]

First off, we were talking about the US bombing Iran, not what Israel has done in Iran. Let's try to stay focused on the talking points.

Do you think Israel would have the resources and capability to attack other
countries without U.S. aid? What if some other country like China gave weapons
and money to Russia to invade Ukraine? Sending military aid even without
doing the dirty work of fighting is an act of war.

Putin could reduce Ukraine to the stone age if he dropped as many
bombs on it as the U.S. dropped on North Vietnam.

The rest of your Notti revisionist history is not worth my time taking the bullshit and nonsense apart. Did you take any history classes in North America, or was it all in Russia?

 

[Frankfooter]

Trump isn't a sitting president and they only managed to charge some bullshit cases...no Epstein "pedo" case? And still won the Whitehouse...

You don't think trump is president?
Who is?

You may not even be as bright as your hero.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1945642013753212980

 

[Frankfooter]

First off, we were talking about the US bombing Iran, not what Israel has done in Iran. Let's try to stay focused on the talking points.

The rest of your Notti revisionist history is not worth my time taking the bullshit and nonsense apart. Did you take any history classes in North America, or was it all in Russia?

Its all the same, whether Netanyahu ordered Israel to bomb Iran or whether Netanyahu ordered the US to bomb Iran.
They killed the nuclear treaty and had to stop after they couldn't stop Iranian missiles.

Total failure.

 

[nottyboi]

First off, we were talking about the US bombing Iran, not what Israel has done in Iran. Let's try to stay focused on the talking points.

The rest of your Notti revisionist history is not worth my time taking the bullshit and nonsense apart. Did you take any history classes in North America, or was it all in Russia?

Oh come on, you really think these are independent events? Trump was crowing about the Israeli attack before it all fell apart. I think your brain has been squeezed.

 

[squeezer]

Oh come on, you really think these are independent events? Trump was crowing about the Israeli attack before it all fell apart. I think your brain has been squeezed.

First off, the Israeli attack did not fall apart, but they were told by the Trump administration to lay off after they dropped the bombs. This is so Trump can claim he stopped a war since he's failing with his prior bum buddy and your mentor, Putin.

I am just hoping Zelenskyy is given some long-range missiles to fire into Moscow.

 

[Frankfooter]

First off, the Israeli attack did not fall apart, but they were told by the Trump administration to lay off after they dropped the bombs. This is so Trump can claim he stopped a war since he's failing with his prior bum buddy and your mentor, Putin.

I am just hoping Zelenskyy is given some long-range missiles to fire into Moscow.

The Israeli attack stopped because Israel went through $1 billion in US missile defence in a week and still couldn't stop Iranian missiles.
Israel has already spent $85 billion on genocide on a captive population with no army, war with Iran is more than they can afford.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1938223944789561835

 

[richaceg]

The Israeli attack stopped because Israel went through $1 billion in US missile defence in a week and still couldn't stop Iranian missiles.
Israel has already spent $85 billion on genocide on a captive population with no army, war with Iran is more than they can afford.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1938223944789561835

LoL... a few missiles and 2 bunker buster is worth it if you obliterate a site meant for building nukes....

 

[nottyboi]

First off, the Israeli attack did not fall apart, but they were told by the Trump administration to lay off after they dropped the bombs. This is so Trump can claim he stopped a war since he's failing with his prior bum buddy and your mentor, Putin.

I am just hoping Zelenskyy is given some long-range missiles to fire into Moscow.

Nonsense they begged Trump to broker a peace when Iranian missiles started dismantling Tel Aviv and as their defensive missile stock dwindled. The strike was only to make it look like there was no need to continue, as the problem is solved. The strikes were useless. Irans nuclear capabilities are at most, very slightly damaged.

Trump is already TACOing on the long range missiles as there is a risk Russia will attack bases in Germany. In any case, Russia has started taking out rail in Ukraine.

 

[Frankfooter]

LoL... a few missiles and 2 bunker buster is worth it if you obliterate a site meant for building nukes....

How do you know they were obliterated?
Iran is no longer allowing IAEA inspectors and cameras.

 

[richaceg]

How do you know they were obliterated?
Iran is no longer allowing IAEA inspectors and cameras.

How can they allow anybody with radiation risks on site? That's genocide.

 

[Frankfooter]

How can they allow anybody with radiation risks on site? That's genocide.

Sending in 1 or 2 inspectors (likely with geiger counters) is genocide to the one toothed peoples?
Holy shit, I had no idea that the brain rot has progressed so far.

 

[nottyboi]

How can they allow anybody with radiation risks on site? That's genocide.

There is no radiation. Satellite pics show that Iran is already working onsite . Fact is no one will know until they get down there. If you look at videos of the test of the GBU-57, the test is really lame. Its like 25-30 ft

Fordow is around 800-1200 ft below the surface. Also if you look at the images from bomb hits, they failed to hit the hole from the 1st bomb. Which means the second bomb would not really go much deeper then the first.

 

[nottyboi]

There is no radiation. Satellite pics show that Iran is already working onsite . Fact is no one will know until they get down there. If you look at videos of the test of the GBU-57, the test is really lame. Its like 25-30 ft

Fordow is around 800-1200 ft below the surface. Also if you look at the images from bomb hits, they failed to hit the hole from the 1st bomb. Which means the second bomb would not really go much deeper then the first.

Irans nuclear stockpile intact:


https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/...media-citing-european-intelligence-probe-says

I guess when Trump said OBLITERATED he meant his popularity lol

 

[squeezer]

Nonsense they begged Trump to broker a peace when Iranian missiles started dismantling Tel Aviv and as their defensive missile stock dwindled. The strike was only to make it look like there was no need to continue, as the problem is solved. The strikes were useless. Irans nuclear capabilities are at most, very slightly damaged.

Trump is already TACOing on the long range missiles as there is a risk Russia will attack bases in Germany. In any case, Russia has started taking out rail in Ukraine.

Notti facts! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA......yup, Russian history classes must have been a hoot eh?

 

[nottyboi]

Notti facts! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA......yup, Russian history classes must have been a hoot eh?

Read the article I posted. Not Notti facts, just facts.

 

[squeezer]

Do you think Israel would have the resources and capability to attack other
countries without U.S. aid? What if some other country like China gave weapons
and money to Russia to invade Ukraine? Sending military aid even without
doing the dirty work of fighting is an act of war.
.

They do, N. Korea, Iran and China have been giving Russia weapons and N. Korea is supplying soldiers as well. Where have you been living, under a rock?