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What if Ukraine falls? This is no longer a hypothetical question – and it must be answered urgently

richaceg

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Trump and Vance were clowns for going after Zelensky in the first place, and now even he is slowly realizing that Putin is the real threat. Funny how his frustration with Putin is growing, yet his followers are still parroting Kremlin propaganda like it's gospel. Why aren’t you listening to your cult leader now?

And spare me the lazy talking points, show me real proof that Zelensky is corrupt. Not vague accusations, not Russian bot garbage. Actual, verifiable facts. You can’t, because they don’t exist. Meanwhile, Russia invades a sovereign country and suddenly it’s the defender that’s the problem? Seriously?

What exactly do you expect a leader to do when their nation is under brutal attack? If Canada were invaded by the U.S., you bet your ass any Canadian PM—Liberal, Conservative, or otherwise would be pleading with the world for weapons, aid, and support to save their people and protect their borders. That’s called leadership under fire.

So again, what specifically has Zelensky done wrong? Don’t just parrot nonsense, bring the receipts. Otherwise, admit you’ve been spoon-fed Kremlin talking points and are too deep in the echo chamber to see it.
If you're gonna grift...show some respect...something VZ seems to not having...how many times did he change his mind when his grift didn't work? Canada doesn't give US the reason to attack. the tension between Russia and Ukraine has been brewing due to the Russian speaking northern part of Ukraine wanting to separate... something Canada & US don't have... spare me the horror stories you heard where Trump is going to invade Canada...it's not happening.
 

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What happened when the west did that to Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and now Iran?

Iran? Dropping a couple of bombs on nuclear facilities to slow down a weapons program is not the same as invading a sovereign neighbor with the intent to conquer and erase its borders. Let’s not pretend those are remotely comparable.


And as for Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, and Syria, was the U.S. trying to annex those countries? Were they installing puppet governments to permanently absorb those nations into an American empire, like Russia is clearly attempting in Ukraine? No. You might not agree with U.S. foreign policy (and fair enough in many cases), but let’s not twist history to suit a false narrative.


The Vietnam War was about Cold War containment. Iraq was (disastrously) based on faulty intel and regime change. Libya was an international coalition enforcing a UN resolution to prevent genocide. Syria involved supporting rebels in a civil war. None of these were about territorial conquest. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is.


If you're going to draw comparisons, at least make them remotely accurate. Otherwise, you're just muddying the waters with false equivalence, and that only helps the aggressor, your hero comrade.
 

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If you're gonna grift...show some respect...something VZ seems to not having...how many times did he change his mind when his grift didn't work? Canada doesn't give US the reason to attack. the tension between Russia and Ukraine has been brewing due to the Russian speaking northern part of Ukraine wanting to separate... something Canada & US don't have... spare me the horror stories you heard where Trump is going to invade Canada...it's not happening.
Put down the Vodka, Ritch and go see a dentist because you are coming off as clueless as ever.

Show me proof not just your useless rambling
 
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richaceg

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Put down the Vodka, Ritch and go see a dentist because you are coming off as clueless as ever.

Show me proof not just your useless rambling
We can go back and forth on this we both know you will believe only if it goes with what you want to hear...google it. search is your friend...otherwise keep crying.
 

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We can go back and forth on this we both know you will believe only if it goes with what you want to hear...google it. search is your friend...otherwise keep crying.
Yes, you should try it sometime. Here, let me help you because helping lost souls is what I do.

 

richaceg

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Yes, you should try it sometime. Here, let me help you because helping lost souls is what I do.

That's not where his corruption scandal is Squeezy...that's too far off... he's got questionable offshore accounts linked to his film outfit while president...you will find it there...you just have to dig deeper....take your hands off your ass and start working..
 

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His leadership in Ukraine is riddled with corruption. He is grifting hard to the EU and US for more $$$. Trump already offered to broker a peace deal which he won't do...No surprise...this war is keeping him in office.
But I guess he's great acting pulled more than just your heartstrings...
You really shouldn't post on this subject at all.
You back a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist who is a conman and the most corrupt politician in america since.....

Clearly you have no idea what corruption looks like.

 

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That's not where his corruption scandal is Squeezy...that's too far off... he's got questionable offshore accounts linked to his film outfit while president...you will find it there...you just have to dig deeper....take your hands off your ass and start working..
Did you dig that deeply with trump and his dealings?

 
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Iran? Dropping a couple of bombs on nuclear facilities to slow down a weapons program is not the same as invading a sovereign neighbor with the intent to conquer and erase its borders. Let’s not pretend those are remotely comparable.
Context:

Iran is an NPT signatory and was in direct negotiations with the US over a nuclear treaty. The US and IAEA did not think Iran was building a bomb.
Israel is not a NPT signatory, stole nuclear secrets from the US and has threatened countries with nuking them.

Since the bombing Iran is pausing all cooperation with the IAEA and the US has no idea how much was destroyed or if they have now decided to build a bomb since a treaty with the US is worthless.
 
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Context:

Iran is an NPT signatory and was in direct negotiations with the US over a nuclear treaty. The US and IAEA did not think Iran was building a bomb.
Israel is not a NPT signatory, stole nuclear secrets from the US and has threatened countries with nuking them.

Since the bombing Iran is pausing all cooperation with the IAEA and the US has no idea how much was destroyed or if they have now decided to build a bomb since a treaty with the US is worthless.
This has absolutely nothing to do with comparing a strike on Iran by the US to Putin's Ukrainian invasion.

ps....I support stopping Iran from getting a nuclear bomb. I would support the US if it sent the same bombs into North Korea to wipe out their nuclear development and arsenal. We've seen what a rogue state AKA Russia, does when it holds nuclear weapons as a threat.
 
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That's not where his corruption scandal is Squeezy...that's too far off... he's got questionable offshore accounts linked to his film outfit while president...you will find it there...you just have to dig deeper....take your hands off your ass and start working..
Post or are you afraid to post it because it will be thrown back at you as Russia Bot Farm material? Do it Ritch, post your evidence, you can do it that is if you have any. LMAO
 
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You really shouldn't post on this subject at all.
You back a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist who is a conman and the most corrupt politician in america since.....

Clearly you have no idea what corruption looks like.

The democrats had all the freedom to charge their bullshit cases...Ukraine justice system can't do that to a sitting president...that tells you so much about corruption...but eventually the "convicted felon" became president again because those charges were BS... you know...bullshit...like every post you bring here..
 

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Post or are you afraid to post it because it will be thrown back at you as Russia Bot Farm material? Do it Ritch, post your evidence, you can do it that is if you have any. LMAO
I will let you work for it...don't be lazy...it's just there in the interwebs waiting for you to tap on it...
 

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This has absolutely nothing to do with comparing a strike on Iran by the US to Putin's Ukrainian invasion.

ps....I support stopping Iran from getting a nuclear bomb. I would support the US if it sent the same bombs into North Korea to wipe out their nuclear development and arsenal. We've seen what a rogue state AKA Russia, does when it holds nuclear weapons as a threat.
I also support keeping Iran and the middle east nuke free. What I don't support is the US tearing up the JCPCOA, disregarding the NPT and IAEA inspection teams and starting a war of aggression during nuclear treaty talks on behalf of a genocidal, nuclear armed, non NPT state.

Bombing countries didn't lead to peace in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon or Libya. Or Somalia for that matter.

I support international law and treaties, not people like trump bombing other countries and declaring they are the world's cop.
That makes them no better than Putin.

You brought up Iran, by the way, not me.
 

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The democrats had all the freedom to charge their bullshit cases...Ukraine justice system can't do that to a sitting president...that tells you so much about corruption...but eventually the "convicted felon" became president again because those charges were BS... you know...bullshit...like every post you bring here..
You do know that the US won't indict a sitting president, don't you?

Denying trump is a felon is idiotic, its the ramblings of a cult member. Do you need some ICE for your koolaid?

 
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You do know that the US won't indict a sitting president, don't you?

Denying trump is a felon is idiotic, its the ramblings of a cult member. Do you need some ICE for your koolaid?

Trump isn't a sitting president and they only managed to charge some bullshit cases...no Epstein "pedo" case? And still won the Whitehouse...
 

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Iran? Dropping a couple of bombs on nuclear facilities to slow down a weapons program is not the same as invading a sovereign neighbor with the intent to conquer and erase its borders. Let’s not pretend those are remotely comparable.


And as for Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, and Syria, was the U.S. trying to annex those countries? Were they installing puppet governments to permanently absorb those nations into an American empire, like Russia is clearly attempting in Ukraine? No. You might not agree with U.S. foreign policy (and fair enough in many cases), but let’s not twist history to suit a false narrative.


The Vietnam War was about Cold War containment. Iraq was (disastrously) based on faulty intel and regime change. Libya was an international coalition enforcing a UN resolution to prevent genocide. Syria involved supporting rebels in a civil war. None of these were about territorial conquest. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is.


If you're going to draw comparisons, at least make them remotely accurate. Otherwise, you're just muddying the waters with false equivalence, and that only helps the aggressor, your hero comrade.
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Iran? Dropping a couple of bombs on nuclear facilities to slow down a weapons program is not the same as invading a sovereign neighbor with the intent to conquer and erase its borders. Let’s not pretend those are remotely comparable.


And as for Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, and Syria, was the U.S. trying to annex those countries? Were they installing puppet governments to permanently absorb those nations into an American empire, like Russia is clearly attempting in Ukraine? No. You might not agree with U.S. foreign policy (and fair enough in many cases), but let’s not twist history to suit a false narrative.


The Vietnam War was about Cold War containment. Iraq was (disastrously) based on faulty intel and regime change. Libya was an international coalition enforcing a UN resolution to prevent genocide. Syria involved supporting rebels in a civil war. None of these were about territorial conquest. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is.


If you're going to draw comparisons, at least make them remotely accurate. Otherwise, you're just muddying the waters with false equivalence, and that only helps the aggressor, your hero comrade.
Iran - They murdered over 800 people including the team they were negotiating with and several military leaders. Are you really that clueless. It was a regime change attempt. They even had the ex Shahs son inciting the people to rise up. It was an utter failure, but that was the intent. The bomb drop was to save face when Iran started systematically demolishing the Israeli attack dog. The goal are the same always, option 1 - puppet state (like Jordan) or 2. Chaotic failed state like LIbya, Syria Somalia. Vietnam they definitely tried for a puppet state, but China was too close by and the USSR sent Vietnam 8000 advanced SAMs. There was a peace deal to settle the Ukraine conflict. that Ukraine signed and the UNSC endorsed. Why did the West not press for its implementation? The answer is they had NO INTERST in peace. Russias only choice at this point is to take all of Ukraine. Why do you think they are so focused on killing the military aged men?
 
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Firstly, there is not much publicly available data for how many tanks countries build.
And remanufactured? You mean old tanks, painted and re-fueled? lol.
But even if that were true, please explain how 350 tanks is going to help Russia invade the entirety of Ukraine and hold on to them?
And your figures on casualties is also not factual. I asked ChatGPT and here are the casualty figures with sources.
Clearly Russia has had atleast twice as much casualties as Ukraine.
So nice try pushing a narrative that Ukraine is running out of fighting aged men.
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Lots of videos of tanks being remanned. They are stripped down and upgraded to the newest spec for that tank. Since the T-34 Russia has been at the forefront of tank technology. When the Soviet union fell. NATO was shocked to discover that NATO guns could not penetrate Russian tanks while Russian tanks could slice thorough nato tanks. It was the USSR that first started using smoothbore main guns with APFSDS rounds now all tanks use them. Reactive armor was also a Soviet innovation. Its also Russia that started using wire guided drones. And even though the basic Geran drone was developed in Iran, Russia has taken it to a whole new level and is going from 700/day to 1000 a day by end of summer in production. 1000 precision hits with a 90 kg warhead a day. How do you deal with that? Its pretty funny that you can look at the death rate of Ukraine bullshit, see the massive cemeteries. See videos of their desperate measures to recruit new men and STILL believe it. From the same press that brought WMD. Ukraines military losses are about 1-1.4m as of today. Its hard to count sure, but over 250K have also deserted.
 
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Iran - They murdered over 800 people including the team they were negotiating with and several military leaders. Are you really that clueless. It was a regime change attempt. They even had the ex Shahs son inciting the people to rise up. It was an utter failure, but that was the intent. The bomb drop was to save face when Iran started systematically demolishing the Israeli attack dog. The goal are the same always, option 1 - puppet state (like Jordan) or 2. Chaotic failed state like LIbya, Syria Somalia. Vietnam they definitely tried for a puppet state, but China was too close by and the USSR sent Vietnam 8000 advanced SAMs. There was a peace deal to settle the Ukraine conflict. that Ukraine signed and the UNSC endorsed. Why did the West not press for its implementation? The answer is they had NO INTERST in peace. Russias only choice at this point is to take all of Ukraine. Why do you think they are so focused on killing the military aged men?
First off, we were talking about the US bombing Iran, not what Israel has done in Iran. Let's try to stay focused on the talking points.

The rest of your Notti revisionist history is not worth my time taking the bullshit and nonsense apart. Did you take any history classes in North America, or was it all in Russia?
 
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