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What happens to the MAGA cult when dumb Donald is gone?

mjg1

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I think you have misinterpreted things. MAGA actually is ideologically driven. There was a lot of angst against the status quo coming off the Obama years and Trump simply took advantage of that and funneled it into MAGA. Trump has a lot of faults, but it was a brilliant maneuver on his part to exploit that angst, and no one saw it coming. It's why he has the Christian vote even though he's not exactly an avid Christian (they call him a baby Christian). You can call them "perceived grievances" if you want, but that's just because you're partisan. Those grievances were widespread enough to get Trump elected for four years. Christians have been demonized for decades, and their values have been mostly ignored by establishment Republicans, and opposed by Democrats. It's not surprising that they would turn to Trump when he's the first one in awhile to legitimately listen to them.

You're right in that Trump has become a cult leader. I think that legitimate angst has warped into a rabid cult, and Trump was the one who curated it. It's some scary shit. But it's also not the only cult. MAGA and Progressives...both cult-like. You see it in the fervor of the supporters. Driven by social media and propagandist machines. We live in troubling times....
When I say the "MAGA cult," I am talking about his hardcore supporters. The ones who say, I support him no matter what he does or says and think he's being persecuted unjustly. People that say, Jan 6th wasn't done by Trump supporters and Trump won the election. The ones who think Mike Pence is a traitor, because he didn't do what Trump wanted. The cult clowns who attacked and stormed the U.S. Capitol for a lying demagogue.

As for the Christian-right, their cry of persecution is only because they aren't allowed set-up their theocratic rule over the country. Just like the South felt wronged, all because they weren't allowed to expand slavery to new territories and states.
 

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As for the Christian-right, their cry of persecution is only because they aren't allowed set-up their theocratic rule over the country. Just like the South felt wronged, all because they weren't allowed to expand slavery to new territories and states.

That's only part of it. There is a large strand of evangelical christianity that isn't all in on Christian Nationalism.
But you are right to link it to the South and the Civil war. You have to remember that the move in the 80s to political evangelism was because they lost so badly on the civil rights issue. Abortion was their attempt to find something that looked "moral" since they had just been on the wrong side of one of the most important moral issues of the 20th century. The fact that their whole theology was based on justifying slavery has been a huge problem.

But rhuarc29 is correct.
MAGA is an ideology, it just isn't one rooted in the kind of policy fights about budgets and governance and so on.
It's palignenetic ultranationalism.
The bit about resentment and angst of the status quo was real, the genius move was to realize how much of it was based in racism and cultural issues and could be exploited that way.
The GOP had been doing that for a while, but mostly made it clear that the people running the show didn't really believe in that part - they just wanted to use it to harness that anger.
Trump gave them the uncut version where it looked like he believed the same shit they did.
 
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That's only part of it. There is a large strand of evangelical christianity that isn't all in on Christian Nationalism.
But you are right to link it to the South and the Civil war. You have to remember that the move in the 80s to political evangelism was because they lost so badly on the civil rights issue. Abortion was their attempt to find something that looked "moral" since they had just been on the wrong side of one of the most important moral issues of the 20th century. The fact that their whole theology was based on justifying slavery has been a huge problem.

But rhuarc29 is correct.
MAGA is an ideology, it just isn't one rooted in the kind of policy fights about budgets and governance and so on.
It's palignenetic ultranationalism.
The bit about resentment and angst of the status quo was real, the genius move was to realize how much of it was based in racism and cultural issues and could be exploited that way.
The GOP had been doing that for a while, but mostly made it clear that the people running the show didn't really believe in that part - they just wanted to use it to harness that anger.
Trump gave them the uncut version where it looked like he believed the same shit they did.
I had to google paligenesis.

It does get back to the butler like accelerationists but I'm not sure that MAGA as a movement actually has any long term goals or even any short term policy goals except build more walls or make life more miserable for immigrants, women and LGBTQ.
 

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I had to google paligenesis.

It does get back to the butler like accelerationists but I'm not sure that MAGA as a movement actually has any long term goals or even any short term policy goals except build more walls or make life more miserable for immigrants, women and LGBTQ.
MAGA is a fascist/pro-fascist movement.
That's an ideology.
 

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MAGA is a fascist/pro-fascist movement.
That's an ideology.
More accurately, MAGA has elements that resemble fascism.
But its really a cult of personality more than a political movement.
Its main descriptor seems to be put rump in power, not about policy, ending democracy, implementing authoritarianism or anything other than letting rump do what he wants.

Maybe its more idolatry than ideology.
 
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More accurately, MAGA has elements that resemble fascism.
But its really a cult of personality more than a political movement.
Its main descriptor seems to be put rump in power, not about policy, ending democracy, implementing authoritarianism or anything other than letting rump do what he wants.

Maybe its more idolatry than ideology.
Cheeto's core promise is that HE (apparently only he, and nobody else is genius enough to know how) will Make America Great Again! What does that mean, Tucker? I think some envision the antebellum south, complete with slaves as free labor, of course. Others pine for a lasais faire economy with minimal taxes and less fiscal oversight, still others see a Theocracy with "witches" burned at the stake amid a pile of books. Around here immigrant labor threatens people wanting jobs as fruit pickers and, of course, many are just sore assed from increasingly losing at the polls...
 

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Cheeto's core promise is that HE (apparently only he, and nobody else is genius enough to know how) will Make America Great Again! What does that mean, Tucker? I think some envision the antebellum south, complete with slaves as free labor, of course. Others pine for a lasais faire economy with minimal taxes and less fiscal oversight, still others see a Theocracy with "witches" burned at the stake amid a pile of books. Around here immigrant labor threatens people wanting jobs as fruit pickers and, of course, many are just sore assed from increasingly losing at the polls...
That's exactly it.
Nobody knows what MAGA stands for other than making rump dictator so he can magically fix everything.
Its a cult of personality.
 

mjg1

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More accurately, MAGA has elements that resemble fascism.
But its really a cult of personality more than a political movement.
Its main descriptor seems to be put rump in power, not about policy, ending democracy, implementing authoritarianism or anything other than letting rump do what he wants.

Maybe its more idolatry than ideology.
That is so true, for the MAGA cult(people that support him no matter what), it's like a fascist cult of idolatry. The ones who send him money, buy his hats, flags and go to his rallies and many say he is sent by God.

Then there's part of MAGA(not the cult idiots) that knows he's a lying buffoon, but benefit with that clown in power. The rich, Christian Right & Nationalists, right-wing media and republicans like Mitch McConnell and Nancy Mace. They all know he's unfit and a pathological lair.
 

Valcazar

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More accurately, MAGA has elements that resemble fascism.
But its really a cult of personality more than a political movement.
Its main descriptor seems to be put rump in power, not about policy, ending democracy, implementing authoritarianism or anything other than letting rump do what he wants.

Maybe its more idolatry than ideology.
And you think that fascism doesn't do those things for the leader?
 

Valcazar

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Sure, there are lots of commonalities.
But there is less of the 'make the trains run on time' authoritarianism and more 'elect me, I'm rich'.

If you want you can argue the same of dems vs republicans.

Awww.

I haven't seen one of these dumb things since last decade.
 

Valcazar

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Sure, but it does get across the point that there are just as many commonalities as differences between MAGA idolatry as fascism.
I'm sure you'd get a near even split of students making either case.
No it doesn't.
It has nothing to do with MAGA and fascism, it's a "both sides are the same" diagram.
It has nothing to do with fascism at all.

Did you not realize what you posted?
 

Frankfooter

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No it doesn't.
It has nothing to do with MAGA and fascism, it's a "both sides are the same" diagram.
It has nothing to do with fascism at all.

Did you not realize what you posted?
You were arguing that MAGA is fascism, I was arguing MAGA is more of cult of personality.
Then you argued that MAGA and fascism both have a cult of leaders.
I posted the stupid thing to say yes, you could argue that there are commonalities between any two movements.

Do you think I was really comparing dems, repugs with MAGA and fascists?
That's funny, I thought you were clever.
 

Valcazar

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You were arguing that MAGA is fascism, I was arguing MAGA is more of cult of personality.
Then you argued that MAGA and fascism both have a cult of leaders.
I posted the stupid thing to say yes, you could argue that there are commonalities between any two movements.
You know what, you did.
I missed that line, and fair enough.

Do you think I was really comparing dems, repugs with MAGA and fascists?
No.
I thought you posted the wrong thing because posting a venn diagram that Dems and Repubs are identical when you are trying to argue MAGA isn't Fascism is just nonsensical.
 
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mjg1

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When I speak of the MAGA cult, I speak of folks like this. They live in a right-wing media echo chamber of lies and now form a cult of idiocy!
These people would gladly end American democracy for a Trump dictatorship!
 
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