what exactly does GFE include ?
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- DFK/LFK
- BBBJ (for full GFE) or CBJ (for safe GFE)
- Cuddling
- Involved conversation
Those are some of the main elements whereas with PSE it is more like porno with the way the SP talks/acts. But some PSE elements can easily be blended into a GFE session such as facials or CIMSW.
- BBBJ (for full GFE) or CBJ (for safe GFE)
- Cuddling
- Involved conversation
Those are some of the main elements whereas with PSE it is more like porno with the way the SP talks/acts. But some PSE elements can easily be blended into a GFE session such as facials or CIMSW.
The definition of a Classic GFE has no ifs ands or buts.
It is DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS.
No DFK is not a Classic GFE.
CBJ is not a Classic GFE.
Safe GFE is not a Classic GFE.
Also be aware that GFE means different things in the SP and MA contexts. The definitions given above are all SP definitions of "GFE".
In the massage context, GFE can really mean anything, which probably leads some beginners to unrealistic expectations of MAs. Tolleman's definition of GFE for massage is given in the first post in this thread: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?556895-The-big-list-of-Ottawa-MAs-who-provide-GFE That's not to say that there aren't MAs who give mileage closer to the SP definition of GFE, but it is not the norm at the higher end spas. Tolleman's definition is a bit of a low bar... my personal definition of GFE for massage would be some form of eager kissing (not necessarily LFK or DFK), bodyslides, and at least one of DATY or digits (but not necessarily both), but no form of BJ is necessarily offered.
In the massage context, GFE can really mean anything, which probably leads some beginners to unrealistic expectations of MAs. Tolleman's definition of GFE for massage is given in the first post in this thread: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?556895-The-big-list-of-Ottawa-MAs-who-provide-GFE That's not to say that there aren't MAs who give mileage closer to the SP definition of GFE, but it is not the norm at the higher end spas. Tolleman's definition is a bit of a low bar... my personal definition of GFE for massage would be some form of eager kissing (not necessarily LFK or DFK), bodyslides, and at least one of DATY or digits (but not necessarily both), but no form of BJ is necessarily offered.
And don't forget the biggie
"You need to go to the Drug Store,I'm out of Tampons"! Every guys nightmare.
In my books:
escort: CBJ, few POS, 1 shot, no kissing, no cuddling, finish and leave.
GFE: BBBJ, multiple POS, MSOG, kissing, cuddling, vibrators/ toys, DATY, stay until the end of your time
Safe GFE: CBJ instead of BBBJ, no kissing, otherwise same as GFE
Borderline PSE: All GFE + digits, DATO, ass plugs, facial or CIM
PSE: All the above + CIMSW, greek.
escort: CBJ, few POS, 1 shot, no kissing, no cuddling, finish and leave.
GFE: BBBJ, multiple POS, MSOG, kissing, cuddling, vibrators/ toys, DATY, stay until the end of your time
Safe GFE: CBJ instead of BBBJ, no kissing, otherwise same as GFE
Borderline PSE: All GFE + digits, DATO, ass plugs, facial or CIM
PSE: All the above + CIMSW, greek.
It's weird to me that people think that being safe is not a girlfriend experience. I believe that as long as you feel like you would with a real girlfriend (not all girls will have sex/oral sex without a condom when they first do it with their boyfriends because a level of trust has to be established) then it's a girlfriend experience. I believe that if she gives you more than a fuck and suck and treats you like her boyfriend then that's GFE whether it's safe or not. But hey at least some of you acknowledge that what you're doing is not safe. Better than pretending that it's hard to catch an STD.
GFE includes ANY verbal or physical action which creates the fantasy that you are with a real girlfriend who really "loves" you particularly in the infatuation stage of the relationship before the bullshit starts when everything is hunky dory.
For the record, we are not talking about bare back sex; any provider or John that is willing to do bare back sex gets into the "idiot" category. Condoms are assumed for any vaginal or anal intercourse.
Going back to oral sex: for someone that looks at risk as a binary option then the only good alternative is to avoid having sex with strangers and have zero chance of STD, condoms can break, you are never going to be safe unless you practice abstinence. Most johns and providers will accept some degree of risk. It is of course up to the lady to decide what degree of risk she is willing to accept, and what is she is going to offer, it is also entire cool to practice "YMMV". But BBBJ is really standard for most, if not all, of the ladies that advertise GFE in Toronto, hence those that are not willing to do so should at the very least bring that forward to avoid disappointments. "Safe GFE" is a nice euphemism that avoids the "menu" options that so many ladies dislike
GFE should include the following services.
It should include BBBJ, DATY, DIGITS, DFK and FS.
If it does not include any one of the above it is not GFE.
Also BBBJ, DIGITS, and DFK is YMMV if you do not brush your teeth, shave your balls or groom your fingers don't be going and expecting those services.
It should include BBBJ, DATY, DIGITS, DFK and FS.
If it does not include any one of the above it is not GFE.
Also BBBJ, DIGITS, and DFK is YMMV if you do not brush your teeth, shave your balls or groom your fingers don't be going and expecting those services.
For me GFE does not involve a condom. I'm not suggesting an SP (or any stranger) goes bareback but GFE is an intimate session and I would expect full contact. Maybe the SP community should adopt the term SGFE to designate a safe near-GFE experience.
Some indys will explicitly give their menu: CBJ, BBJ, COF, Greek, etc. but many do not do that now. I think you can safely assume that most girls out there are GFE unless they say otherwise: Safe GFE, PSE, etc. You can ask a girl while in the moment if you can have XXX. I don't think most girls mind so long as you ask politely during the session. Also, don't be an ass if she doesn't do something. Always respect a girl's boundaries!
Make sure to read the ads carefully because it is definitely irritating to get constant emails or PM's asking if she does XXX when it's already listed in the ad.
Make sure to read the ads carefully because it is definitely irritating to get constant emails or PM's asking if she does XXX when it's already listed in the ad.
I always thought GFE was exactly like in high school - kissing with some tongue action, hand slapped away when approaching a breast, going home with the bluest balls ever. Wasn't until I hooked up with escorts that I discovered BJ's, CIM, etc.
