What Constitutes Cheating?

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Despite the pontifical nature of the delivery, there is no reason to believe that Fuji's theory of "mate selection" is correct.
There has never beenany reason to believe that fuji's theory on anything is correct, he is very rarely correct.
 

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Despite the pontifical nature of the delivery, there is no reason to believe that Fuji's theory of "mate selection" is correct.
What theory of mate selection is that? I don't recall proposing one. I think you're talking out of your ass.

All I've said is that it's complex.

In fact this is a classic RLD post, where you put together a sentence that sounds like a criticism, but when you look for substance there isn't any there. It's all bullshit.
 

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Ethics! You cheat on your wife at every opportunity you have, and if you caught her cheating, you or she would have to leave. You're ethically and morally bankrupt. In order for you to cheat, you must lie to your SO, GF, etc. You've made it clear that you operate on a double standard and that deception and spitefulness is a superior way of thinking. Are you a politician?
Yes, ethics. There's nothing unethical or immoral about cheating, unless you apply primitive, pre-contraceptive moral codes that label ordinary, normal, human behavior immoral and are on the same primitive order as the moral codes that justify female genital mutilation in Arab countries.
 

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I cheat constantly and consider cheating normal human behavior. If I ever caught her cheating I would move out or she would. I would not accept that. This is also normal human behavior.
As usual I struggle with your logic.

Cheating is normal.
Getting caught and separating is normal.


So in my case, my SO cheats, that's normal.
I accept that or else I consider myself a hypocrite since I cheat as well. We don't separate, based on your logic I'm not normal. Perhaps not, but I consider it logically and fair. The way I see it, your normality is not logical.
 

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What theory of mate selection is that? I don't recall proposing one. I think you're talking out of your ass.

All I've said is that it's complex.

In fact this is a classic RLD post, where you put together a sentence that sounds like a criticism, but when you look for substance there isn't any there. It's all bullshit.
Nice try Fuji.

You have articulated peices of your "theory" here and there, and have also arrogantly declared other people's ethical structures are being inferior to yours.

Firstly, mate selection in sexually reproducing creatures is one of the complex areas of evolutionary biology. There is no clear concensus in the area amongst the best scientists in the field, so for you to declare your theory as superior is simply arrogance.

And there is no doubt that your theory involves what is commonly called cheating and at least one significant double standard, and an inherent reliance on dishonesty. While some serious mate selection theories in the evolutionary biology field might have some overlap with your own theory (they would generally find the contraception issue irrelevant where you seem to think it is important), none of them are yet supported by the preponderance of the evidence.

Since the best science we have has no consensus theory, colour me rational for thinking that you have not uncovered the answers.

And having seen you make factual and reasoning errors on other topics I have no reason to think you will be any different here. Your approach to a topic is long winded, self-referencing, intellectually dishonest and usually unproductive. Feel free to prove me wrong.
 

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Yes, ethics. There's nothing unethical or immoral about cheating, unless you apply primitive, pre-contraceptive moral codes that label ordinary, normal, human behavior immoral and are on the same primitive order as the moral codes that justify female genital mutilation in Arab countries.
Why don't you sit your wife down and ask her if your unethical or immoral ? Please post a full review when your done.
 

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By your own admission, you are a classless hypocrite
I have to correct you on fuji, by his own admission he is a classy guy, so I consider him a classy hypocrite.
 

TeasePlease

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If you have to lie, you're damn well cheating.

I've been on both sides. I know how easy it is to justify doing something purely selfish, or to be so cold so as to care that I was hurting a loved one. I also know how heart-wrenching it is to find out that someone who claimed to love you has betrayed your trust and love. That really messed me up.

You can rebuild a relationship, but that core trust doesnt come back easy.
 

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...so is it cheating to have the most fantastic fantasy about my next door neighbor???? Does my SO fantasize about the neighbors hubby?????
 

blackrock13

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...so is it cheating to have the most fantastic fantasy about my next door neighbor???? Does my SO fantasize about the neighbors hubby?????
You might get a shovel upside the head, but I don't think it's cheating. I know you can't get arrested.

As for what I've been able to glean from quotes of Fuji's post, he a jerk, has been for a long time, and will be for the foreseeable future. He convinced himself that what he does is natural and expected, and wife is expected to live by a different standard. Somebody made a suggestion that she may be a blowup doll and I couldn't argue the point. He reminds me of those who used to say negroes were inferior and women were not fit to be doctors. Luckily, most of them have gone the way of the dinosaurs and we are a better society for it.

I saw the tittle of the thread and knew Fuji'd be on it like a fly on shite and loving the attention.
 

Ridgeman08

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You might get a shovel upside the head, but I don't think it's cheating. I know you can't get arrested.

As for what I've been able to glean from quotes of Fuji's post, he a jerk, has been for a long time, and will be for the foreseeable future. He convinced himself that what he does is natural and expected, and wife is expected to live by a different standard. Somebody made a suggestion that she many be a blowup doll and I couldn't argue the point. He reminds me of those who used to say negroes were inferior and women were not fit to be doctors. Luckily, most of them have gone the way of the dinosaurs and we are a better society for it.

I saw the tittle of the thread and knew Fuji'd be on it like a fly on shite and loving the attention.
I agree. (and I'm paying attention. :wink:) LOL
 

blackrock13

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I agree. (and I'm paying attention. LOL
Good to hear. I can't remember the last Terb member to support with Fuji on anything. It's been 2 years since I did, but you know the old fish, barrel, spear, story can apply here.

I found Fuji's grad picture;





I wonder what's his handle is on POF
 

Brill

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I support him.

fuji didn't deny being a hypocrite, he accepts that for some reason he has a different standard for his wife and wouldn't put up with her if she cheated.

I don't understand why this bothers some people so much, I'd say many married guys on terb feel the same but aren't as honest about it.
 

rld

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I support him.

fuji didn't deny being a hypocrite, he accepts that for some reason he has a different standard for his wife and wouldn't put up with her if she cheated.

I don't understand why this bothers some people so much, I'd say many married guys on terb feel the same but aren't as honest about it.
Not to put too fine a point on it...he does deny being a hypocrite. And then babbles in an attempt to justify his position and claims ethical superiority of his system.

That is not at all what you are suggesting, which strikes me much more reasonable.
 

Brill

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No, in his first post in this thread he says,
Sex, mate selection, is not fair, cannot be made fair, and in this area we are all either hipocrits or lying.
He's being honest about being a hypocrite.
 

rld

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No, in his first post in this thread he says,


He's being honest about being a hypocrite.
He later denies being a hypocrite.

But I am sure he will come along and clarify it for us.
 

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Cheating is normal.
Yes. It's bred into us.

So in my case, my SO cheats, that's normal.
Yes. But it's also simultaneously normal for you to reject, disapprove, and crack down on that behavior. Whether you are smart enough to catch her, whether you can crack down effectively, is going to depend on a lot of very practical things, including your relative power in the relationship based on your attractiveness and your sexual alternatives.

Plainly it's not fair.

I accept that or else I consider myself a hypocrite since I cheat as well.
We're all hypocrits when it comes to sex. We all want to fuck as many partners as possible, while preventing our partners from doing the same.

You either accept that you're hypocritical in this respect or you fundamentally lie to yourself. Many people here evidently lie to themselves on this point, and lie to others as well.
 

fuji

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Not to put too fine a point on it...he does deny being a hypocrite.
Nope. I have asserted, repeatedly, that we are all hypocrits when it comes to sex, that sexual hypocrisy is fundamental to the human condition, that sex and sexual selection is inherently unfair, and that we're all deeply and instinctually motivated to make it as unfair as we can. The only difference between me and you is that I'm honest about it (here).

I'm not surprised that you glossed over what I wrote, failed to respond it, and replied as though you were intelligent even though you hadn't the slightest comprehension.
 
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