In which country did 400,000 white men die in a civil war to end slavery?
The United States.
The United States.
What are We Doing to White People?
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Ah yes, the old "Model Minority" response. Please, tell me where you get the actual data to actually prove Asians are far smarter/motivated? Is this merely self-reinforcing opinion? Please feel free to search for information backing up those NYTs & Atlantic article that those on Reddit LOVE to post...
"That's why immigrant populations will always score more highly on several indicators "
Really? All immigrants? Always? Just because they're immigrants? The Hmong among the Vietnamese? Spanish-Mexicans? Indians from the south as well as the north? Pakistani Asians? As you're well aware, the data shows there is a very wide disparity amongst and within immigrant groups and assuming merely someone is an immigrant does not necessarily mean the automatically score highly...or is this merely bias hidden behind 'inclusivity'?
Do you think perhaps it's where non-whites are located (cities) where salaries are much higher versus the large number of whites that are located in more poor/ rural areas perhaps that skews the numbers? Nah...inconvenient data sampling goes against the prevailing orthodoxy right?
Maybe it's the rate of crimes committed (lots of data by race). Graduation rates. Perhaps the rates of two parent families - there is lots of data by race AND by income. The rich stay married and the poor divorce. These are all very very big factors that determine wealth.
Essentially, this model minority siren call is crap dreamt up by those who want to make excuses for lazy whites - and others - who have a sense of entitlement and feel they no longer work for it.
THE most important factor is culture. Culture matters. Crime rates, marriage rates, graduation rates. All matter much more than being 'an immigrant'.
Case in point; Old data but still likely valid. Asians at below the poverty level ($20K) drastically outperform many races who have 3x to 10x the income. Think about that. Poverty level do better than the rich. Do you think they are genetic supermen or perhaps they retain the culture that we used to have, that anyone can have, that values hard work instead of "chase your dreams" or "do what you like".
History clearly has an effect on the present. For all of us. But man, your own personal choices and behaviors and general outlook on life are FAR more relevant in determining your outcomes than what happened to your grandma, I promise you.
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I once bought a pamphlet during Black History Month, named The Black Human.
The author's hypothesis was that only Black people were human, because "Hu", (hue), means colour. Seriously.
Whenever one of those guys tries to con a two-nie from my pocket in February by using racial guilt, I tell him:
"My mother was a slave of the Nazi's for five and a half years, during World War II. Top that.".
The author's hypothesis was that only Black people were human, because "Hu", (hue), means colour. Seriously.
Whenever one of those guys tries to con a two-nie from my pocket in February by using racial guilt, I tell him:
"My mother was a slave of the Nazi's for five and a half years, during World War II. Top that.".
Maclean’s asks if U of T is “too Asian”
Apparently, the arrival of excellent students is a problem in Canada’s universities. The 20th edition of Maclean’s University Guide issue hits newsstands
torontolife.com
The fact is that china has a pool 1,000,000,000 people Which means the top 1% are 10 milion Which means go agsinst the top 33% in canada. Even if both groups are done The same in producing smart people Canadians don't have a chance.
A Macleans article is not data. We are no longer in High School....Maclean’s asks if U of T is “too Asian”
Apparently, the arrival of excellent students is a problem in Canada’s universities. The 20th edition of Maclean’s University Guide issue hits newsstands
The fact is that china has a pool 1,000,000,000 people Which means the top 1% are 10 milion Which means go agsinst the top 33% in canada. Even if both groups are done The same in producing smart people Canadians don't have a chance.
You always did not read article. McLean is the only 1 who keeps that on the matter. Uoft will not reveal the data.
However the UK does not keep the secret And well not as multicultural as Canada
we get
The data shows that:
- in 2021, 72.1% of pupils from the Chinese ethnic group got a higher education place in the UK – the highest entry rate out of all ethnic groups
- 33.3% of white pupils got a higher education place – the lowest entry rate
- pupils from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest entry rate every year between 2006 and 2021
- white pupils had the lowest entry rate between 2007 and 2021
- in 2021, the entry rates for all ethnic groups were higher than in the previous year – they were also higher than in 2006 (the first year covered by this data)
- between 2006 and 2021, black pupils had the biggest entry rate increase out of all ethnic groups, from 21.6% to 48.6%
- white pupils had the smallest increase, from 21.8% to 33.3%
Entry rates into higher education
In 2022, the black ethnic group was the only group whose entry rates into higher education were higher than in 2021.
www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk
You know For well at this data Is hidden or destroyed or not looked At all for pc Reasons.
Data is not king. We have no data from the number of people killed by most things labeled as toxic. Yeah we still know their toxic and lethal. Until recently We did not know my data that women generally prefer men with money. Or kids like candy. We had no data About the vaccines all about now. Data is a luxury we usually do not have.
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I know right?I'm actually surprised we rank above Koreans
Well shit, you just need to walk around real universities like the University of Waterloo to see the racial make-ups. However, one has no idea if they're foreign students, 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation immigrants. I'm white, 2nd generation and one of my 3rd generations kids go there with a program that has a 98% entrance hurdle. Mind you, it might have been reverse Affirmative Action tokenism, whatever, I'll take it.
Canada generally doesn't release race-related data and unfortunately we have to use US data as a proxy.
It's DATA to back up that old "Model Minority" nugget that I'm really looking for. No one has YET been able to prove it with data and I've been trying to get it for a few years.
Agreed, and all good data. HOWEVER, your main point was ...immigrants. Just because they're Asian doesn't necessarily mean they're immigrants and thus must succeed.You always did not read article. McLean is the only 1 who keeps that on the matter. Uoft will not reveal the data.
However the UK does not keep the secret And well not as multicultural as Canada
we get
The data shows that:
- in 2021, 72.1% of pupils from the Chinese ethnic group got a higher education place in the UK – the highest entry rate out of all ethnic groups
- 33.3% of white pupils got a higher education place – the lowest entry rate
- pupils from the Chinese ethnic group had the highest entry rate every year between 2006 and 2021
- white pupils had the lowest entry rate between 2007 and 2021
- in 2021, the entry rates for all ethnic groups were higher than in the previous year – they were also higher than in 2006 (the first year covered by this data)
- between 2006 and 2021, black pupils had the biggest entry rate increase out of all ethnic groups, from 21.6% to 48.6%
- white pupils had the smallest increase, from 21.8% to 33.3%
Entry rates into higher education
In 2022, the black ethnic group was the only group whose entry rates into higher education were higher than in 2021.
There is no must. Immigrants have huge barriers. Cost is 5-10 times to start. Language in cultural issues next.
But I've been the best and brightest taken to other countries and I have easily succeeded. My friend a decent hockey player here Has a job In Asia as a hockey coach. He is the best there. We just have a bigger pool of hockey players that even a so so hockey coach here Is top of their pool there.
It's just basical logic that you have an advantage If you only take students that have 100% in math That the group that gets 100% would you better on average Then the average student here.
In most jobs it won't matter for success. Marks don't matter. What for some jobs like medicine The high mark is price of entry. You can be a shit Doctor But you have your Diploma. A better theoretical doctor never got into medical school.
I like wise Many students cannot go u of t because they cannot make the A. plus average you need To get in. It was a B at 1 time.
You're competing globally not locally. If people actually wanted to study in china And china actually allowed it Things would be different but it's a 1 way street.
The kudos for you Accepting other location data. I thought you were playing the black box game But you are not.
The fact is Canada is a small country and it has to start thinking like a small country. Or it will cease to exist. We only have a Fraction of our country that is actually habitable.
End question do we keep our culture or do we have everyone go on the tiger mom Survival mode? Is Canadian culture worth fighting for? Where should we lower our quality of life Expelled freedom from the country And work hard for the state?
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I did not know that slavery was legal in somebody places in the last hundred years.
When looking this up this is what I found
- In the United States, slavery was officially abolished with the passage of the 13th Amendment to the Constitution in 1865, but discrimination and racial inequality persisted in the form of Jim Crow laws and practices.
- In South Africa, the system of racial segregation and oppression known as apartheid was in place from 1948 to 1994.
- In India, the caste system, which has been described as a form of "hidden slavery," persisted into the 20th century and continues to affect millions of people today.
- In the early 20th century, forced labor was used in many colonies of European powers, and in some cases, it was used in concentration camps.
- In the Soviet Union, forced labor was used extensively during the Stalin era for industrialization and construction of infrastructure, especially during the period of the Great Purge from 1936 to 1938, where millions of people were arrested, sent to labor camps and executed.
No mention of the African slavery Still legal in 1960
Empirically, most - including me - would say that Asian students are observed to work far harder. That aside, I don't say what you claim. I say that immigrants as a whole are more motivated and smarter than the majority of their home country population. THAT'S why they're immigrants. Lazy dumb people don't emigrate.
Could contribute, sure.
But these factors are affected by culture as well. Right?
A rich white kid is not likely to "get ahead" by working as a drug dealer. Not is he likely to get into a knife fight and do 10 years in jail. A poor white kid is. Add in ethnic flavouring to your taste.
Am I not actually saying this?
Russia's off. They may have ended "slavery" in 1723, but serfdom persisted until 1862. Serfdom was of course the primary form of actual forced servitude in Russia until its abolition.
Talking about race/ethnicity is always risky on this Board. In my experience, the first model minority were the Jews. They excelled both academically and in business.
When I applied to McGill it was only a few short years after the quota was lifted on Jewish admissions.
The current model minority now would be Chinese, E.I., Korean and still Jews.
When I applied to McGill it was only a few short years after the quota was lifted on Jewish admissions.
The current model minority now would be Chinese, E.I., Korean and still Jews.
Often wonder if there are any “Truths”
“The pen is mightier than the sword”, is so true, as is so apparent in today’s social media.
Language is a tool used by folks to gain perceived “control” like money , weapons etc.
A few scattered items as reference .
One definition or racism per “Oxford”: The inability or refusal to recognize the rights, needs, dignity, or value of people of particular races or geographical origins. More widely, the devaluation of various traits of character or intelligence as ‘typical’ of particular peoples. The category of race may itself be challenged, as implying an inference from trivial superficial differences of appearance to allegedly significant underlying differences of nature; increasingly evolutionary evidence suggests that the dispersal of one original people into different geographical locations is a relatively recent and genetically insignificant matter.
Aren’t we all immigrants’?, or is there a time frame when we cease to be?
Some say there are no bigger lies than numbers, or responses to surveys.
And of course , rules are established by those in “power” in an attempt to maintain their status quo. The basic motivation of nature to survive .
“The pen is mightier than the sword”, is so true, as is so apparent in today’s social media.
Language is a tool used by folks to gain perceived “control” like money , weapons etc.
A few scattered items as reference .
One definition or racism per “Oxford”: The inability or refusal to recognize the rights, needs, dignity, or value of people of particular races or geographical origins. More widely, the devaluation of various traits of character or intelligence as ‘typical’ of particular peoples. The category of race may itself be challenged, as implying an inference from trivial superficial differences of appearance to allegedly significant underlying differences of nature; increasingly evolutionary evidence suggests that the dispersal of one original people into different geographical locations is a relatively recent and genetically insignificant matter.
Aren’t we all immigrants’?, or is there a time frame when we cease to be?
Some say there are no bigger lies than numbers, or responses to surveys.
And of course , rules are established by those in “power” in an attempt to maintain their status quo. The basic motivation of nature to survive .
Between 1912 and 1956, Morocco was the French protectorate in Morocco, which effectively ended the open slave trade in Morocco. In 1923 the French colonial authorities officially banned the slave trade and closed the slave markets in Morocco.[23] While the slave trade was banned, slavery as such was never banned. However, when the slave markets were closed and open slavery visually disappeared from the public eye, slavery was considered to be de facto abolished.[24]
In practice the slave trade continued illegally at least two decades after the abolition of the slave trade in 1923.[25] Slavery as such continued in private, mainly in the form of domestic servants. However, during the decades after 1923, slavery gradually diminished in Morocco since changing attitudes made it less common to acquire slaves, and to manumit already existing slaves. By 1952 the majority of the existing slaves in Morocco were reportedly kidnapped as children, and when this was said to be against Islamic law, the speed of the manumissions increased.
When Morocco won its independence in 1956, slavery was said to be essentially confined to the Household slaves of the Royal Harem.[26] The traditional Royal Harem still existed during the reign of king Hassan II of Morocco (r. 1961-1999): the Royal Harem included forty personal concubines (who by Islamic law were by definition slaves) as well as an additional forty concubines who the king had inherited by his father; additional concubines who worked as domestic servants in the Royal Harem, as well as male slaves performing other positions such as chauffeurs in the Royal Household.[27] The slaves of the Royal Household were descended from enslaved ancestors inherited within the household.[28] The Royal Harem was dissolved by Mohammed VI of Morocco when he ascended to the throne in 1999.[29]
Florida governor Ron DeSantis put the brakes on discriminatory job fair the NHL was planning in Fort Lauderdale where anyone except heterosexual white men were welcome.
Hockey league scuttles criteria after administration criticism.
The Ron DeSantis administration is able to declare victory over a major sports league, which changed plans for a diversity job fair in South Florida.
Fox News Digital first reported that the National Hockey League has abandoned plans to hold a job fair that would have opened up opportunities to various groups historically marginalized in the United States.
The so-called “Pathway to Hockey Summit,” to be held Feb. 2 in Fort Lauderdale during the NHL’s All-Star Weekend, was originally tailored to “diverse job seekers who are pursuing careers in hockey,” according to a now-deleted LinkedIn post that raised the ire of the DeSantis administration.
“Participants must be 18 years of age or older, based in the U.S., and identify as female, Black, Asian/Pacific Islander, Hispanic/Latino, Indigenous, LGBTQIA+, and/or a person with a disability. Veterans are also welcome and encouraged to attend,” asserted the previous event description, which drew the ire of a DeSantis spokesperson.
“Discrimination of any sort is not welcome in the state of Florida, and we do not abide by the woke notion that discrimination should be overlooked if applied in a politically popular manner or against a politically unpopular demographic. We are fighting all discrimination in our schools and our workplaces, and we will fight it in publicly accessible places of meeting or activity,” Bryan Griffin told Fox News Friday.
The revised posting eliminates any reference to ethnic, gender, sexual orientation, and military veteran status.
“The Pathway to Hockey Summit is a career event, especially to encourage those that historically have not been exposed to hockey and all who are interested in learning more about career opportunities in the sport.”
The NHL distanced itself from the previous language as “not accurate,” suggesting that the intent was really to reach out to people unfamiliar with hockey.
“The Pathway to Hockey Summit is an informational and networking event designed to encourage all individuals to consider a career in our game – and, in particular, alert those who might not be familiar with hockey to the opportunities it offers,” the NHL spokesperson said.
The NHL seems to have extended its deadline for registration in light of the revised criteria.
Florida’s Voice reported that the original deadline for registration was Friday the 13th, with accepted applicants to be told on Tuesday Jan. 17. The updated posting says that they will now be told a week later, on Jan. 24.
Though the wording has been changed, reminders of the previous job search remain on career boards, such as ones from the University of Southern Californiaand the University of Pennsylvania. These postings still maintain that participants “must … identify as female, Black, Asian/Pacific Islander, Hispanic/Latino, Indigenous, LGBTQIA+, and/or a person with a disability,” or be military veterans.
Hockey league scuttles criteria after administration criticism.
The Ron DeSantis administration is able to declare victory over a major sports league, which changed plans for a diversity job fair in South Florida.
Fox News Digital first reported that the National Hockey League has abandoned plans to hold a job fair that would have opened up opportunities to various groups historically marginalized in the United States.
The so-called “Pathway to Hockey Summit,” to be held Feb. 2 in Fort Lauderdale during the NHL’s All-Star Weekend, was originally tailored to “diverse job seekers who are pursuing careers in hockey,” according to a now-deleted LinkedIn post that raised the ire of the DeSantis administration.
“Participants must be 18 years of age or older, based in the U.S., and identify as female, Black, Asian/Pacific Islander, Hispanic/Latino, Indigenous, LGBTQIA+, and/or a person with a disability. Veterans are also welcome and encouraged to attend,” asserted the previous event description, which drew the ire of a DeSantis spokesperson.
“Discrimination of any sort is not welcome in the state of Florida, and we do not abide by the woke notion that discrimination should be overlooked if applied in a politically popular manner or against a politically unpopular demographic. We are fighting all discrimination in our schools and our workplaces, and we will fight it in publicly accessible places of meeting or activity,” Bryan Griffin told Fox News Friday.
The revised posting eliminates any reference to ethnic, gender, sexual orientation, and military veteran status.
“The Pathway to Hockey Summit is a career event, especially to encourage those that historically have not been exposed to hockey and all who are interested in learning more about career opportunities in the sport.”
The NHL distanced itself from the previous language as “not accurate,” suggesting that the intent was really to reach out to people unfamiliar with hockey.
“The Pathway to Hockey Summit is an informational and networking event designed to encourage all individuals to consider a career in our game – and, in particular, alert those who might not be familiar with hockey to the opportunities it offers,” the NHL spokesperson said.
The NHL seems to have extended its deadline for registration in light of the revised criteria.
Florida’s Voice reported that the original deadline for registration was Friday the 13th, with accepted applicants to be told on Tuesday Jan. 17. The updated posting says that they will now be told a week later, on Jan. 24.
Though the wording has been changed, reminders of the previous job search remain on career boards, such as ones from the University of Southern Californiaand the University of Pennsylvania. These postings still maintain that participants “must … identify as female, Black, Asian/Pacific Islander, Hispanic/Latino, Indigenous, LGBTQIA+, and/or a person with a disability,” or be military veterans.
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