What a massive flip-flop
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So is Trudeau wrong now that the liberals are going to reduce admission of
immigrants, international students and temporary foreign workers?
Wow, sure sounds like you have your meat hooks deep, deep into the complex and varied ingredients that comprises a sound and savory stew of immigration policies, plans and procedures.
Where did you study, the Sorbonne, Oxford, the Doug Ford School of Immigration atop a massage parlor in a inner suburban, strip plaza?
The thing is we've already ran out of money.
Trudeau's is just uncontrollably borrowing from the Bank of Canada.
PBO projects deficit exceeded $40B pledge, Liberals won't say if they'll meet target
The federal government likely failed to keep its deficit below the promised $40-billion cap in the last fiscal year, the parliamentary budget officer said on Thursday.
"R u fer it, or agin it?" - notorious and relentless cross examination quote by Des
I think the policy was sound. Execution....maybe not so much. There are pros and cons, obviously. Having more people makes our GDP larger, but also raises prices and deflate wages. But, on a demographic level, there are MANY reasons to bring in more people. But, we cannot abandon the point system that has worked so well in the past. Bring the skilled immigrants who can help Canada grow.
What worries me here is that a lot of the anti-immigration rhetoric is dangerously close to xenophobic language. Are they anti-immigrant because we're getting a lot of brown people coming here? I don't know. But, I've seen an explosion of intolerance on social media platforms for south Asians or Arabic folks in Canada.
You could say the same thing regarding China, South Korea, France, Germany,
Portugal, Spain, Sweden and the UK. Their populations are either nearly as
old or considerably older than that of Canada. Some but not all of these countries
have turned to mass immigration to grow their population.
Aging of population needs to be addressed but mass immigration is not
the only solution.
So is it right or wrong to bring in less people in the upcoming years?
Trudeau announces massive drop in immigration targets, as Liberals make major pivot
Trudeau says Canada will accept 395,000 new permanent residents in 2025, a major drop from its target of 500,000 set out last year.
kitchener.citynews.ca
SCOOP: Trudeau government to slash immigration levels
The Trudeau government will announce a dramatic immigration cut Thursday, reducing new permanent resident numbers by almost 100,000.
nationalpost.com
Some economists applauded Canada for opening up immigration because they were getting a jump on the competition. We'll see what the other countries will do....but China kind of shot themselves in the foot, with the one-child policy....so, there are more dudes than women, which is going to be a problem....
Now, for other solutions....what do you think that would be? Could it be what the GOP is sort of trying to sell, with forced births and no abortion? Or, do you take a more supportive structure and help families. You can do this in a few ways: allow mothers and fathers longer parental leave, improve the daycare system so it isn't stupidly expensive, provide support to families with tax breaks/credits and the child allowance. Help ensure that women on leave can return to their jobs and advance their careers (and it wouldn't hurt to help with pensions/retirement savings which disappear for the time on maternity leave).
Canada already has several of these ideals (as do many of the European countries), so what would you suggest?
Wow that's a delicate way of saying when conservatives call for controlling immigration they are xenophobes but when Liberals want to control it then it's worth a civil conversation and don't dare call them xenophobes.
Do you even see the hypocrisy in that?
Who can really say. I mean, if its a temporary thing, just to re-calibrate things, then that shouldn't be an issue. Long-term? Who knows. Maybe we'll have a major baby boom and it will right the ship. And, of course, the economists could be wrong about the demographic issues. I don't think they are, but we'll see. Might take a few decades...So is it right or wrong to bring in less people in the upcoming years?
Trudeau announces massive drop in immigration targets, as Liberals make major pivot
Trudeau says Canada will accept 395,000 new permanent residents in 2025, a major drop from its target of 500,000 set out last year.
SCOOP: Trudeau government to slash immigration levels
The Trudeau government will announce a dramatic immigration cut Thursday, reducing new permanent resident numbers by almost 100,000.
First, to be clear, I didn't say conservatives were saying xenophobic things. But it is interesting that you went there...
What I am saying is that I've seen a lot of folks spewing hate to immigrants on social media. They say they don't have Canadian values or they smell, can't drive or are not assimilating into the country. Which....is something we've heard about nearly all immigrant waves in the past, from the Irish and the Italians to the Chinese. But it still worries me. I love the idea of Canada being a welcoming place for those looking for a better life. People that will work hard and help improve our way of life.
I didn't say conservatives were saying xenophobic things...I said they are called xenophobes if they dare speak of controlling immigration.
Spewing hate to immigrants has unfortunately been happening forever and everywhere. The point is that in modern times, the left has been peddling a narrative that it's the right that is spewing this hate.
I don't think any reasonable people would reject immigration as
a solution. It is the excessive volume of immigration that is the
problem. In the case of Germany mass immigration as the solution
has not been promising to say the least.
There is probably not one single solution that would safeguard
the well being of our future. I think the more pragmatic solutions
would entail among other things: i) immigration policy aimed for
admission of well qualified immigrants at
moderate levels. ii) Reduction of government deficit and hopefully
the debt burder eventually. iii) Public housing construction.
"I'm in a cult called the Trudeau Liberal Party." - Anbarandy
As far as I can see hate spewed by uncanadian-behaving folks
to immigrants is not the reason Trudeau flip-flopped. Trudeau
and his Liberals simply realized they fxxked up.
Discrimination against immigrants is worrisome but not
an issue in revising our immigration policy.
