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Frankfooter

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That's funny. I guess you never watched any of his political campaign debates "face to face" and he is a hardened New Yorker, dealing for years in one of the toughest real estate markets in the world and you think he is afraid of face to face conflict? Duhhhhhhh! What are you smokin??? I worked for five years in the Wall Street area and let me tell you its a cold day in Hell when a New York businessman is afraid of face to face conflict, let alone someone that dealt on Trump's level.
He's a bullshitter.

You can't make deals with a bullshitter, he won't even remember all his lies tomorrow.
 

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That's funny. I guess you never watched any of his political campaign debates "face to face" and he is a hardened New Yorker, dealing for years in one of the toughest real estate markets in the world and you think he is afraid of face to face conflict? Duhhhhhhh! What are you smokin??? I worked for five years in the Wall Street area and let me tell you its a cold day in Hell when a New York businessman is afraid of face to face conflict, let alone someone that dealt on Trump's level.
I did watch the Hillary debates, that's why I know you are FOS. Only other meaningful debates were the primaries, where he was excessively rude and told so many lies he took the other candidates completely off guard. If even one of them had said "Trump, you are a liar and here's proof", Trump would have pissed his size 50 pants.

You need to familiarize yourself with the facts. Although initially successful in NYC with 3-4 major projects, Trump's dishonest business practices landed him in hot water. Since that time, the Trump Organization has lost many (not all) major bids in the city, so he's either overpaid or agreed to concessions (financing, partnerships, public space, additional inspections) on his ~7 other projects. That's one reason why the financial performance of his company has been mediocre. City Inspector and the Mayor's offices were all over his projects with fines and stop work orders until defects were corrected. Fact is Trump is all bluster. Please check, everything I have stated is available in the public domain.

You claim to have spent 5 years in the Wall Street "area" (that wording is hilarious! Were you making pizzas?), then you should know most New Yorkers think Trump is a joke - this is reflected in how poorly he did in the election in NYC.

Did you Watch the Apprentice? The reason the show lasted was because of the celebrities and for the most part they just blew Donald off. They refused to attack each other no matter how hard trump pushed. Trump barely appeared in the final few seasons.

Stop with the nonsense, how about you provide a couple of videos with Trump in a heated face-to-face debate with a equivalent opponent. It's laughable how easily Merkel, May, Macron, Verhofstadt and even Arnie blow him off.
 

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Certainly see your point ( and essguy ) on the matter as Canada also is seeing record low unemployment. But don't feel I really explained why I like one over the other at all.
I just threw the obvious on Justin (deficit), and recent news on Trump.

I've stated in my Trump thread things I like about Trump ( and things I don't ). Some Trump policies like Immigration/ Open Boarders, or Paris Agreement/Climate is what I like about him, and dislike about Justin.
How about Trump's debt that his policies are set to cause:

U.S. DEBT IS GROWING AND FOREIGNERS ARE BUYING LESS: HERE’S WHY THAT COULD BE DISASTROUS FOR THE ECONOMY

The IMF predicts that by 2023, the U.S. will have a larger debt-to-GDP ratio than Italy, a country with such high debt that it’s often referred to as a “systemic threat” to Europe.

Foreigners currently own about $6.3 trillion of U.S. debt.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-tax-cuts-debt-china-907763
 

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Fuck milk, Fuck cows. Businesses on both sides of the borders need to have stability and certainty, the negative economic impact of this NAFTA renegotiation far outweighs the value of milk. Pence offered a 5 year temp agreement, we need to take that offer up, it gives business 5 more years to look for new markets as a form of risk mitigation.
Business do not make investments with 5 year time horizons
I am no fan of Justin's , however no way he should cave into this lunatic
It is like Bambi vs. godzillia, however godillia will eventually self destruct.
the best plan is to stall & wait for the impeachment
 

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Trump is still very early into his term, so its very hard to speculate too far ahead. But saving the US money by pulling out of the Paris agreement, focusing on keeping companies in the US, and creating more and more jobs are all ways I feel could stop debt from growing. The effort is clearly there.
Further, the better Trump 'improves' America, through keeping business there, and drawing others into the US, the more appealing they will become to Foreign interests. China is a perfect example who has pledged to spend Billions if able to avoid Tariffs being imposed.

As for Canadian economy - laugh out loud, but I think success in Canada is directly contributed to the USA economy being so good. The better the US does, the better we do. Doesn't matter if Trump is giving Tax breaks, work bonuses, or a simple job to someone. If the USA is improving, it means they are spending more, and Canada directly benefiting ( Tourism, export, investing ).

Currently, in Canada we have reaped the benefits of a federal government that encouraged investment both domestic and foreign. That has all changed in the past year and we see a high tax, plus spending without direct benefit. Giving billions to the climate while stopping the resource sector will lead to a gradual slow down.

Trump is creating many new jobs, and constantly we hear US companies are staying put or expanding. In fairness, Trudeau has also create many new jobs too, but most of those, were part time.

The spending is also very important, and both the climate agreement and foreign aid are perfect examples. While Trump is closing the wallet and saving the money for within, Trudeau continue to pledge billions to others.
Yes you are right that Canada does depend on the USA economy, but that is to a certain extent. Remember that when the USA went into a nose dive in 2008, Canada's economy was still thriving thanks to the Chretien / Martin Liberal Governments. Eventually, as the whole world went into a recession Canada did so after that. But Canada's economy was not as dire as the USA and Canada in fact has the best growth rate among all the G7 countries including the USA. This was the BDC outlook for Canada:

Happy days are here again for the global economy, and that’s good news for Canadian entrepreneurs.

"Canada had solid economic growth of 3.1% in 2017, having weathered the oil price shock of the past two years. Our economy is on a solid footing. The expansion has been broad-based, with all sectors of the economy contributing. Our goods exports are up 8.7% year over year. Business investment, which is absolutely critical to continued growth, has also improved. At the same time, Canada’s labour market has been thriving, adding 343,000 jobs year to date, with nearly all in full-time employment."

So I am not too sure where you have the notion that Canada's job creation was "part-time". The only tax imposed was a gas tax by the Provincial Governments, and while there was a small tax imposed on the highest paid, the middle and low income earners got a tax break. Remember that Canada's economy is linked to the price of oil and that severely affected the Canadian income and the value of the Canadian dollar. Also, very recently the uncertainty of NAFTA and the tariffs implemented by Trump are a huge problem for Canada. When all parties in the House of Commons stand behind Trudeau in this crisis, I think all the Canadians should do the same. With Trump's latest outrage of imposing tariffs in the automobile sector, that will mean job losses on both sides of the border.

Also read what the latest automobile tariffs could impact not only Canada, but the USA on a larger scale.

http://business.financialpost.com/t...xperts-warn-of-effects-of-trumps-auto-tariffs

So do you still think that Trump is smart in this respect?
 

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That's the point, he doesn't handle Trump, or anything for that matter. Just record spending, ethic investigations, and adding to the national defect while Trump finished May with the lowest unemployment in 18yrs.
Trump leaves the G7 early, because he has no time with playing games. He has much more important matters in Singapore to deal with.

Yes, I think if a conservative was in office, things would be much better. I tried to do my part by voting last election, and was shocked at the outcome. But I accept the outcome, and don't go on daily about Trudeau on here, even if I don't like him.
Trump is being played by Kim.

Only a buffoon like Trump can't see it.

All this summit is about is buying Kim time and hopefully gaining him access to the international markets so he can further his nuclear weapons program. Kim will simply play to Trump's vanity and it will be fait accompli.
 

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Business do not make investments with 5 year time horizons
I am no fan of Justin's , however no way he should cave into this lunatic
It is like Bambi vs. godzillia, however godillia will eventually self destruct.
the best plan is to stall & wait for the impeachment
I think Godzilla eats Bambi while it’s head is stuck in the sand. OK, stupid metaphor, but it’s yours.
 

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Certainly hope that doesnt end up being the case. I really would like to see North and South at peace, and N Korea have nothing to do with a nuclear weapons program.
I'd like to think Kim is wise enough to see the advantages of having not Trump, but the USA as both allies and friend if this goes smooth. It would set the stage to make 'friends' with many others.

To play Trump, has no advantage or reasoning. Any attempts at NK becoming a nuclear power would be stopped. Further aggression from them would see imposed sanctions or ultimately a war NK can't win.

I still go with peace being achieved on this one.
NK already is a nuclear power and is reported to have 15-20 nukes.
They won't give them up very easily and likely not until the US has left the Korean peninsula.
 

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Not trying to split hairs, but that's sort of like a used car lot having only two cars to sell.
Still, I will say, even a few in the wrong hands is dangerous. I think the goal is to avoid having NK on par with China/France/UK.
No, its like KJU successfully tested NK's first nukes.
Since then Trump is now talking with them as an equal and they had their first meeting where Trump pulled back on SK cooperation and got nothing in return.
Why do you think NK would give up their nukes?
 

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Hi Bver.

I'd seen many articles online that made referance to new jobs being only P/T. Most of those were based on 2018.
I found the article you had referenced, and found similar facts on the Financial Post. . Both indeed stated that most of the jobs in 2017 were FT. Thanks for setting that straight.

As for tax changes, what of CPP tax? It will increase more over time, plus there is the removal of tax credits like the children’s fitness tax credit, the public transit credit and the textbook tax credit.

Its late now, but will read the link provide regarding the auto tariffs. As always, I do enjoy the sharing of thoughts with you.
Kathleen you make a great case without any inaccurate or derogatory statements. I even think that Trump should replace Sarah Huckabee Sanders with You as you make a much more realistic case irrespective of the topic / thread.

You are a true inspiration and a real model for more ladies of this board to get more involved in politics. So keep up the good work and I respect your knowledge in this field.
 

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I’m still waiting patiently to hear from all of the Right Wing international diplomacy experts on Terb how Trudeau should have handled this differently...but all I hear is crickets.
Differently ?
Justin has started every trade discussion , India, China, Philippines, USA, etc with social issues tied to them.

Big mistake
Now that he has figured out is it Bambi vs Godzilla you do not hear too much about social issues do you?




PPS: You are a bunch of cultists and racists though. That part is actually true.
time for you to grow up
As you will find out in the next federal election, the majority of Canadians are not cultists and racists just because they do not share you views on Justin Trudeau
 

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Remember that when the USA went into a nose dive in 2008, Canada's economy was still thriving thanks to the Chretien / Martin Liberal Governments. Eventually, as the whole world went into a recession Canada did so after that. But Canada's economy was not as dire as the USA and Canada in fact has the best growth rate among all the G7 countries including the USA. This was the BDC outlook for Canada:?
ummm...Harper was Prime Minister from 2006 until 2015...so your "thanks" is misdirected.

oh let me guess, the Liberals were responsible for helping Canada through the recession years even though they were not in power a few years before the financial crisis.
Right.
 

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Trump is being played by Kim.

Only a buffoon like Trump can't see it.

All this summit is about is buying Kim time and hopefully gaining him access to the international markets so he can further his nuclear weapons program. Kim will simply play to Trump's vanity and it will be fait accompli.
A few weeks back you guys were spewing about the summit not going to take place because of Trump...prediction fail.....so I guess now you're moving on to the next prediction?
Just checking as it's hard to keep up with all this sorcery.
 

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ummm...Harper was Prime Minister from 2006 until 2015...so your "thanks" is misdirected.

oh let me guess, the Liberals were responsible for helping Canada through the recession years even though they were not in power a few years before the financial crisis.
Right.
Don't forget when Harper was in opposition he was all for removing regulations on banks, if that would have happened Canada would have had the same problems as USA. If Harper had his way Canada would had same problems as the USA
 

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Here I felt certain that someone would have posted "We need Trudeau to tell Trump that" Canada is actually going to step up to its NATO Defence spending obligations.
 

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ummm...Harper was Prime Minister from 2006 until 2015...so your "thanks" is misdirected.

oh let me guess, the Liberals were responsible for helping Canada through the recession years even though they were not in power a few years before the financial crisis.
Right.

Compare the economy handed by Paul Martin to Harper against what Bush Junior handed over to Obama, then you will comprehend what it is all about.

In 2008 when Canada was in a recession, Harper refused to believe it. Google and do the searches for yourself. Once again it is thanks to the Chretien / Martin Governments for Canada's thriving economy and surpluses.
 

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Better question, why do they need them?
Libya - gave up their nukes and got invaded by the US
Iran - signed a treaty and didn't develop nukes and are now threatened by the US
North Korea - took forever but built nukes, now Trump is talking as an equal

So why would they give that up to Trump who just reneged on the Iran treaty?
 
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