We have a Voice...Nordic/Canada Model...

Gaia

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My name is Gaia, some of you remember me as Alyssa Babe. I am now based out of Calgary so you know I am a legit service provider.. I am posting this on every board I belong to or have in past... Please read it, is long...

My thoughts on this topic

This Nordic model as I am viewing it is a little misunderstood. From what I can tell, the Government is aiming to eliminate street prostitution and all forms of management of this type of sex trade. Further to this, the idea seems to be keeping prostitutes out of areas where children can be present, example Hotels/Motels.
Service Providers
I am not seeing much for bad for us, independent and off street sex workers. From the sounds of things, we will be able to charge considerably more as a result of less competition from street and fly by night providers who will be impossible to trust for clients. The risks of seeing these girls will be huge, and clients will have to pay for discretion from providers with proven and sound reputations. This means that cheap guys and those “all I have is $50.00” guys will have no choice but to risk jail or pay us what we want.
Clients
Clients will suffer in some ways and benefit in others. Clients wishing to see girls on the cheap will have to pony up for a hotel because there is no possible way we could since children can be present. Anywhere kids could be present will be serious hot zones and any SP getting a hotel/motel room will be at an enormous risk for both her and you. The days of us getting a room are done. If she has children, her house will be off limits and her kids may be taken away as this seems to be the primary concern of these law suggestions. Sp’s without kids may be able to get away with in home visits provided there are no children in the building for apartments, and no activities during times when children could be playing in the neighbourhood.
Clients will benefit as a result of seeing girls based on reputation which translates to less getting caught by significant others (very common in this area since many guys like the cheapest girls who care none about reputation), less risk of STD’s/STI’s since most of us who have reputations protect our bodies with care, and better all around service since we SP’s who are concerned about our reputations put that extra something into your visit so you remember us for next time.

As for the Government, there is but 1 way for us to deal with them. It is called sexual harassment laws, and I hope we all read this carefully.
1) The government has no right in telling anyone who, how, when, or for what purpose we have sex. Sex between consenting adults can only have 1 act of law placed upon it, and that is where. Legally speaking, if we have sex in a public place, be it for trade or for fun with a lover, then we could be disrupting others and this is legally sustainable for all citizens. The key here is in understanding the comment “for all citizens”. Remember that all laws must adhere to all citizens equally and that if a law applies to us regarding our sexuality, it must apply to everyone equally. Otherwise it is no different than discrimination between gays and lesbians. These people are fighting for their rights and they cannot lose. The reason is simply that we as people have the right to chose our sexuality, and who we share that sexuality with. As SP’s, we need to read our constitution and understand it. We have the right to be treated as equals, and no law passed by the government can supersede or impose on that RIGHT.
2) We need to make a voice in Government, which is done by creating an association which is funded by us ALL, and where we COLLECTIVELY support and adhere to. Clients with wealth, listen up carefully, because you as well NEED an association like this as
a. Your rights need to be protected and are in more danger than ours are
b. You have just as much right as we do to protect your privacy sexually and otherwise.
c. You have far more to lose than we do. Those of us who have significant others are already known and we have their support, in some circumstances more support than appropriate, but our significant others know about our activities none-the-less. Any way you slice this, our rate at $1000.00 an hour is significantly less than half, which is what many stand to lose if they are caught with these new laws. Stand up and fight for your right to privacy. If you don’t, who will?
Business model changes
A cooperative ("coop") or co-operative ("co-op") is an autonomous association of persons who voluntarily cooperate for their mutual social, economic, and cultural benefit.[1] Cooperatives include non-profit community organizations and businesses that are owned and managed by the people who use its services (a consumer cooperative) or by the people who work there (a worker cooperative) or by the people who live there (a housing cooperative), hybrids such as worker cooperatives that are also consumer cooperatives or credit unions, multi-stakeholder cooperatives such as those that bring together civil society and local actors to deliver community needs, and second and third tier cooperatives whose members are other cooperatives.
The International Co-operative Alliance was the first international association formed by the movement. It includes the World Council of Credit Unions. A second organization was formed later in Germany, the International Raiffeisen Union. In the United States, the National Cooperative Business Association (NCBA) serves as the sector's oldest national membership association. It is dedicated to ensuring that cooperative businesses have the same opportunities as other businesses operating in the country and that consumers have access to cooperatives in the marketplace. A U.S. National Cooperative Bank was formed in the 1970s. By 2004, a new association focused on worker co-ops was founded, the United States Federation of Worker Cooperatives.
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A trade association, also known as an industry trade group, business association or sector association, is an organization founded and funded by businesses that operate in a specific industry. An industry trade association participates in public relations activities such as advertising, education, political donations, lobbying and publishing, but its main focus is collaboration between companies, or standardization. Associations may offer other services, such as producing conferences, networking or charitable events or offering classes or educational materials. Many associations are non-profit organizations governed by bylaws and directed by officers who are also members.
In countries with a social market economy, the role of trade associations is often taken by employers' organizations, which also have a role in the social dialogue.

An Association is constitutionally protected in the Country of Canada. An Association can lobby for “SELF REGULATING POWERS” and can be developed to act as an indefinite organisation which can be passed on forever.
I have the full plans for this association, how to develop it, how to organise it, even how to generate the necessary money to keep it operating with all of the expenses it will need to incur. I need a lawyer, I need the SP’s willing to climb on board and come to the table with more than simple words of support. I need clients who are willing and able to back this either financially or by way of speaking up.

Our fates are being considered as we speak, and we DO NOT have a voice in this. How long will we allow this, that is up to you. If you share a similar concern e-mail me and we can set something up.. escortgaia@live.ca.
 
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I see the Nordic model as decreasing demand. I think alot of men (myself included - I'm actually on a break from the hobby right now) will not risk getting arrested and will seek other outlets. This could be going back to their wives, doing the internet dating thing, or just have an old fashioned affair. These are all on the table for me.

With the decreased demand I can't see women making more $$. I can see the ladies going underground and actually taking more risks (ie. Unsafe practices) and lowering their prices for a piece of a much smaller pie.

The hotels/motels will also take a hit since the girls won't be renting rooms every day.

Like the Young Offender's Act, who exactly will the new law be protecting??? All they should do is clamp down and really go after the underage, the traffickers, just the real shit in this industry and leave the rest of us alone.

CB
 

drlove

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I see the Nordic model as decreasing demand. I think alot of men (myself included - I'm actually on a break from the hobby right now) will not risk getting arrested and will seek other outlets. This could be going back to their wives, doing the internet dating thing, or just have an old fashioned affair. These are all on the table for me.

With the decreased demand I can't see women making more $$. I can see the ladies going underground and actually taking more risks (ie. Unsafe practices) and lowering their prices for a piece of a much smaller pie.

The hotels/motels will also take a hit since the girls won't be renting rooms every day.

Like the Young Offender's Act, who exactly will the new law be protecting??? All they should do is clamp down and really go after the underage, the traffickers, just the real shit in this industry and leave the rest of us alone.

CB
I have to agree. There's NO WAY I'm risking a criminal record a fine and /or jail time. As soon as the bill passes into law, that's it - no more hobbying for me. I suspect a lot of other guys on the board feel the same way. It will lead to a drop in demand, lower prices and likely more undesirables as clients.
 

drlove

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The doctor is in
others will say rates are going to double. There is no way to really predict it until we see the new laws.

There might be a smaller pie, but there will also be fewer people sharing it. Those individuals will be working to develop trusting, long term, mutually beneficial intimate business relationships.
That's certainly a possibility as well. I know prices are a lot higher in the States for instance. Speaking of which, do you know why prostitution is legal in Nevada and not the rest of the US? Also, if that's the case, why do I see Las Vegas police officers arresting streetwalkers on "Cops"? Just wondering...
 

lovelatinas

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I see the nordic model pushing the trade further underground were organize crime can take over and that will be dangerous for everyone.
 

groggy

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My name is Gaia, some of you remember me as Alyssa Babe. I am now based out of Calgary so you know I am a legit service provider.. I am posting this on every board I belong to or have in past... Please read it, is long...

My thoughts on this topic

This Nordic model as I am viewing it is a little misunderstood. From what I can tell, the Government is aiming to eliminate street prostitution and all forms of management of this type of sex trade. Further to this, the idea seems to be keeping prostitutes out of areas where children can be present, example Hotels/Motels.
Service Providers
I am not seeing much for bad for us, independent and off street sex workers. From the sounds of things, we will be able to charge considerably more as a result of less competition from street and fly by night providers who will be impossible to trust for clients. The risks of seeing these girls will be huge, and clients will have to pay for discretion from providers with proven and sound reputations. This means that cheap guys and those “all I have is $50.00” guys will have no choice but to risk jail or pay us what we want.
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Had to stop there.

Who sees street walkers in this day and age?
Yuck.

And won't you all turn into streetwalkers if you can't advertise anymore? If you can't post an ad for risk of a $5k fine how will you find customers? Walking the streets or trolling hotel lobbies?
 

Vermeer27

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The right of (mostly) married men to fuck around on their wives, and the right of a few women to profit from this...Sorry, very few people are going to stand up for this principle in public. Most civilian women (unsuspecting terb member's wives) want this industry curbed, the fact that the law is stupid is secondary. But they don't call it the oldest profession for nothing...it isn't going anywhere.
 

whitewaterguy

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Hey Dr. Love: I can answer the Nevada question. There are no federal laws against prostitution in the U.S. They are all either state or county laws (like our bylaws, sort of). A few states have never criminalized commercial sex, but have left it up to individual counties to decide. As to not risking a criminal record, unless you've only been seeing outcall providers you always have been risking just that. The new laws don't change anything much, unless the cops go on a rampage of enforcement. But I can't see that somehow. Law enforcement is expensive, and the public taste won't support wasting much money on this.
Maybe I will start a tour group charter operation as follows.
Day one. Salt Lake City to tour a Mormon temple or two

Day two. Watch some speed record drags on the salt flats

Pictures of day one and two to be emailed back to the wife and posted on Facebook as evidence of a legit outing



Days 3 4 5 6. Cross the boarder and start the real tour. Winnemucca then Elko. How I miss those towns
 

wilbur

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Had to stop there.

Who sees street walkers in this day and age?
Yuck.

And won't you all turn into streetwalkers if you can't advertise anymore? If you can't post an ad for risk of a $5k fine how will you find customers? Walking the streets or trolling hotel lobbies?
Sex workers will be exempt from prosecution for posting ads, but it will be illegal for any other person to host the ads of the sex-worker. If they try to post on one of the popular ads sites, they will be expunged by the operator, or the operator could face fines.
 

wilbur

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Had to stop there.

Who sees street walkers in this day and age?
Yuck.

And won't you all turn into streetwalkers if you can't advertise anymore? If you can't post an ad for risk of a $5k fine how will you find customers? Walking the streets or trolling hotel lobbies?
Sex workers will be exempt from prosecution for posting ads, but it will be illegal for any other person to host the ads of the sex-worker. If they try to post on one of the popular ads sites, they will be expunged by the operator, or the operator could face fines.
 

westendman

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That's certainly a possibility as well. I know prices are a lot higher in the States for instance. Speaking of which, do you know why prostitution is legal in Nevada and not the rest of the US? Also, if that's the case, why do I see Las Vegas police officers arresting streetwalkers on "Cops"? Just wondering...
Prostitution is legal in counties with a population of less then 100,000 I believe ( I may have the number wrong ) but anyway what every the population level Clark county exceeds it that is why you see police arresting street walkers in Vegas. Go sot in a casino alone and win some money and the inside SPs will make there way over to you pretty quickly.
 

userz

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Enjoy your diminished client pool, because guys with something to lose aren't going to bother with it. The law won't matter to problem clients, the prospect of a criminal record won't deter the creeps.
 

userz

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From what I can tell, the Government is aiming to eliminate street prostitution and all forms of management of this type of sex trade. Further to this, the idea seems to be keeping prostitutes out of areas where children can be present, example Hotels/Motels.
From what you can tell? It's clear you can't tell anything, because this government wants to stamp out all forms of prostitution and not just street walking. That means they want to put you out of business as well.



From the sounds of things, we will be able to charge considerably more as a result of less competition.
Yes how wonderful. I'm sure you'll get many fans here with that attitude.
 

GPIDEAL

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Had to stop there.

Who sees street walkers in this day and age?
Yuck.

And won't you all turn into streetwalkers if you can't advertise anymore? If you can't post an ad for risk of a $5k fine how will you find customers? Walking the streets or trolling hotel lobbies?

Prostitutes won't be fined. The are immune from the proposed law. If they host a website abroad, it won't get shut down.
 

The Fox

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Enjoy your diminished client pool, because guys with something to lose aren't going to bother with it. The law won't matter to problem clients, the prospect of a criminal record won't deter the creeps.
Totally agree. I feel for the girls, the people who can afford to hobby often and pay high rates do so since they hold down higher paying professional jobs. They will not risk that at any cost. Also, in reference to us all taking risks in the past, we were never the target, we are now.
 

GPIDEAL

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Totally agree. I feel for the girls, the people who can afford to hobby often and pay high rates do so since they hold down higher paying professional jobs. They will not risk that at any cost. Also, in reference to us all taking risks in the past, we were never the target, we are now.
True!
 

d_jedi

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From the sounds of things, we will be able to charge considerably more as a result of less competition from street and fly by night providers who will be impossible to trust for clients.
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Any way you slice this, our rate at $1000.00 an hour
This is de facto just as bad. I will not hobby at those rates, period.
 

wetnose

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The trade association is an interesting idea. A hobbyist can make a charitable donation to the association. He then cites who he wants to see and when. He does not have any contact with the provider. Thus there is no consideration paid directly - thus no risk to the hobbyist.

The association then contacts the provider with details and she bills the association for consulting services after conclusion.

All communications are through TOR and all records wiped after billing. No confirmation via email either. Customer/provider satisfaction ratings are recorded though.

No real names are used - this can be problematic since a potential customer might be a bad date. But that's the only way a hobbyist would sign up since there's no risk.
 

freedom3

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OP:

-There is no point in challenging this law. If someone does, it will most likely be declared unconstitutional, but the next thing the government will do is make prostitution illegal (for everyone). The SCC and even Alan Young said it would be entirely constitutional for the government to make prostitution illegal.

-The reason that prostitution will be made illegal is that women run this country. They are the largest voting block and, within them, housewives are the largest voting block. They get whatever they want. No politician will cross them. They do not want men seeing prostitutes. No lobby group can fight this.

-Our only hope is to lie-low and, hopefully, the police will continue to feel that they have better things to do.

One thing that is certain is that this new law will greatly reduce the number of married men in the industry. The question is what effect this will have on the industry. I think it will lead to fewer escorts in the industry because there won't be enough clients for them to stay in the industry. As for rates, I don't think they will rise or fall. The rates can't fall because they are already so low. The rates can't rise because there will be too few clients already. Rates will probably be all over the place with some charging much more than others. Another effect is that these review boards will contain a lot less reviews. That will also hurt the industry because a lot of women will start giving terrible service.

The main thing is whether or not agencies close. If Mirage, High Society Girls, etc. close, then we will definitely be in for a very rough ride.
 
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