Waterboarding

[papasmerf]

Your logic exhibits all the characteristics of being drug induced....

Too much Karl Kool-Aid????

One thing is always a constant that that is you blaming Bush for everything

 

[WoodPeckr]

One thing is always a constant that that is you blaming Bush for everything

DUH!!!!!
Well it is his mess, NO???....

 

[papasmerf]

The question remains simply this. Do we have the right to use tactics against others that we would condemn if used on us? Do we have the right to torture based on our peception that we are better?

War is never pretty or clean.

 

[WoodPeckr]

Informant's role questioned in U.S. security probes

Perhaps they should 'waterboard' these guys a couple hundred times to get to the truth, eh bushie apologists!.....

Informant's role questioned in U.S. security probes

By Edith Honan – Sun May 31, 8:23 am ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) – The arrests of four men in a suspected plot to bomb two New York synagogues have drawn fire from critics who say U.S. law enforcement relies on informants who infiltrate extremist groups that otherwise would be incapable of mounting an attack.

Civil liberties advocates and legal scholars say the case is part of a pattern since the September 11 attacks of 2001 in which paid informants are sent to mosques where they aid and encourage disgruntled Muslim men in criminal pursuits.

"We're concerned that it was the actions of the FBI informant that really led to the alleged plot," said Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American Islamic Relations.....[more]

 

[WoodPeckr]

War is never pretty of clean.

LOL!!!
Another lame dodge of the question!....

 

[Asterix]

War is never pretty of clean.

You are totally incapable of answering a direct question, aren't you? So you condone the governments use of torture and that we are just in doing so, is that correct?

 

[gramage]

papa believes what he believes because he believes it and will never let anyone make him question anything. You have a better chance arguing the benefits of swimming upstream or downstream with a fish

 

[papasmerf]

You are totally incapable of answering a direct question, aren't you? So you condone the governments use of torture and that we are just in doing so, is that correct?

I am saying only a fool believes it has never occurred before.

I have to live with my beliefs and have no need to justify them to you. I have not asked you to justify your views on this nor have I attacked you because of them. How about showing the same respect for others?

 

[Asterix]

I am saying only a fool believes it has never occurred before.

I have to live with my beliefs and have no need to justify them to you. I have not asked you to justify your views on this nor have I attacked you because of them. How about showing the same respect for others?

You're deflecting. The question I asked required only a yes or no answer. Do you condone the governments use of torture and that we are just in doing so?

 

[K Douglas]

We only waterboard scum. How do we know they're scum? Because they admitted it when we waterboarded them

And if only the scum were tortured it would be the first government operation in history to never make a mistake. But it's all secret, so who'll ever know?

Well those like KD, who believe everything their government tells them, they know.

There is documented waterboarding of only 3 prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, all high level Al Qaeda terrorists. If that isn't scum I don't know what is.

 

[papasmerf]

You're deflecting. The question I asked required only a yes or no answer. Do you condone the governments use of torture and that we are just in doing so?

Not deflecting

I do not feel obligated to tell you my answer to you myopic question.

Now if you were to ask: In war is it ever considered necessary to force information from the enemy in order to attempt to save lives?

I would answer that. Not as myopic as your question and it qualifies the question. Yours is asked as a trap type question. Anyone who answers yes to yours must agree the terrorists are just doing the same thing.

 

[papasmerf]

There is documented waterboarding of only 3 prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, all high level Al Qaeda terrorists. If that isn't scum I don't know what is.

You are forgetting those facts are well known but not welcomed here.

 

[K Douglas]

The Islamic terrorists also apparently subscribe to a similar notion about God's will.

Back to the original point, how is it that America is better than the terrorists, exactly?

Is it because America tortures for the right reasons??? What makes them right? How do you choose sides in a conflict that appears to be a race to the bottom?

Are you seriously asking this question? Big bad America oh no you waterboarded three Al Qaeda terrorists to extract information to keep hundreds of millions of people safe from harm. You're just as bad as Al Qaeda who behead journalists, rape and stone women to death, fly planes into buildings, detonate bombs in nightclubs, markets, hospitals........

 

[Asterix]

Not deflecting

I do not feel obligated to tell you my answer to you myopic question.

Now if you were to ask: In war is it ever considered necessary to force information from the enemy in order to attempt to save lives?

I would answer that. Not as myopic as your question and it qualifies the question. Yours is asked as a trap type question. Anyone who answers yes to yours must agree the terrorists are just doing the same thing.

Sorry you felt trapped. Forgetting for a moment that torture is a notoriously bad method of getting information because after a certain point you could get anyone to agree to admit to anything, how was my question myopic? Try it again with your glasses on. The question was very straight forward. I'm asking you if we have the right to use torture and claim a legal and moral justification. That you apparently don't have the courage to answer the question honestly doesn't particularly surprise me.

 

[WoodPeckr]

GOP Fear mongering 101

There is documented waterboarding of only 3 prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, all high level Al Qaeda terrorists. If that isn't scum I don't know what is.

PURE UNFOUNDED RIGHTIE SPECULATION!!!!
Were it true, why hasn't it been proved or demonstrated YET after all these years in a court of Law????
This is the crap logic DICK Cheney uses to defend his War Crimes....

 

[papasmerf]

Sorry you felt trapped. Forgetting for a moment that torture is a notoriously bad method of getting information because after a certain point you could get anyone to agree to admit to anything, how was my question myopic? Try it again with your glasses on. The question was very straight forward. I'm asking you if we have the right to use torture and claim a legal and moral justification. That you apparently don't have the courage to answer the question honestly doesn't particularly surprise me.

Would you torture a man who was responsible for setting up your 5 year old niece to be kidnapped, raped and murdered or would you buy him pie and coffee was the jist of the question I asked you and you would not answer.

In war there are times it is necessary to forcibly get information to save lives. That is my answer.

Next time you call my courage into question you might want to be looking me in the eye.

 

[papasmerf]

PURE UNFOUNDED RIGHTIE SPECULATION!!!!
Were it true, why hasn't it been proved or demonstrated YET after all these years in a court of Law????
This is the crap logic DICK Cheney uses to defend his War Crimes....

Well the Obama administration can order the records released and that would put all this speculation on your part to rest.

I believe the former VP asked him to do so.

 

[jwmorrice]

Next time you call my courage into question you might want to be looking me in the eye.

Let's not drift off onto the topic of height reduction surgery.

jwm

 

[papasmerf]

Let's not drift off onto the topic of height reduction surgery.

jwm

LOL

I can stand on a chair

 

[Asterix]

Would you torture a man who was responsible for setting up your 5 year old niece to be kidnapped, raped and murdered or would you buy him pie and coffee was the jist of the question I asked you and you would not answer.

I would do neither. My impulse what no doubt be to do physical harm to those responsible, but it wouldn't and shouldn't be up to me to met out justice. You seem to confuse the actions of an individual with the stated policy of a state. The government is holding itself up as the deliverer of justice, and as such should be held to the ultimate standard. If I or anyone decide to take justice into our own hands I would sufer the consequences of whatever revenge I had inacted.