Why would anyone challenge Jesse Ventura?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgar...owthread.php?t=447293&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgar...owthread.php?t=447293&feature=player_embedded
Waterboarding
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Jesse Ventura is just telling it like it is......it's torture and a disgrace.
Elisabeth Hasselbeck is such a stupid tool and was nicely put in her place, she really makes blondes look bad....
Elisabeth Hasselbeck is such a stupid tool and was nicely put in her place, she really makes blondes look bad....
I can't get over the fact that Jesse "the Body" Ventura is a politician. I watched that guy in the "WWF" now WWE.
I agree i like how he tells it like it is...he still has style...and not to be messed with.
I am not a fan of Hasselbecks views either. She should't be allowed to talk on these issues..it is embarressing. But how would 'the view" get ratings then? She is a tool for ratings.
I agree i like how he tells it like it is...he still has style...and not to be messed with.
I am not a fan of Hasselbecks views either. She should't be allowed to talk on these issues..it is embarressing. But how would 'the view" get ratings then? She is a tool for ratings.
Very good video. I think Ventura is dead on when he says that Dems and Republicans were both involved in the whole torture scandal, and that is why Obama is backing off. Then he claimed that if he was president, he would put all the leaders involved in torture as well as all the torturers in jail. The audience seemed to respond very positively to that comment. And that is why he will never be president. All the most powerful people in the country would line up against him.
The blond is very watchable with the volume turned off.
The blond is very watchable with the volume turned off.
Fuck you I like Elizabeth Hasselbeck and I agree with her on most things. Plus she's hot as hell.WoodPeckr said:Jesse Ventura is just telling it like it is......it's torture and a disgrace.
Elisabeth Hasselbeck is such a stupid tool and was nicely put in her place, she really makes blondes look bad....
Lets talk about the people who are being waterboarded here. They are the lowest common denominator scum of the earth. They kill and maim innocent civilians to further an ideology and agenda.
Jesse Ventura is playing this issue. He's using theatrics, that's what he's good at. He does make a valid point though, maybe we should be using waterboarding in certain cases to extract information from gang members, serial killers and rapists etc..
I have a question - is waterboarding considered torture under the Geneva Conventions?
Pure mindless partisan bunk!!!!!!!K Douglas said:
Were if true, WHICH IT IS NOT, they would have been tried and convicted many years ago, NO?....
Try using a little logic instead of El Rushbloe's 'lemmming aid'!.....
K Douglas said:
We only waterboard scum. How do we know they're scum? Because they admitted it when we waterboarded them
And if only the scum were tortured it would be the first government operation in history to never make a mistake. But it's all secret, so who'll ever know?
Well those like KD, who believe everything their government tells them, they know.
onthebottom said:
The captivity training that thousands of elite US troops went through was to prepare them for the torture techniques they might undergo if captured. As I said, the US has long considered this a form of torture. Japanese troops after WWII were executed for using waterboarding and other torture techniques against allied soldiers. As far as those who choose not to consider it torture, you're in good company. The Taliban commanders have stated that they don't either.
So what you are suggesting is that anyone who kills and maims innocent civilians to further ideology and agenda deserves to be tortured, without trial?K Douglas said:
<edit> I should have read some of the responses already posted before writing what I did, as they have made some excellent points.
Why should anyone work to defend a nation that tortures people? Wasn't that the idea of democracy, to get rid of that sort of oppression?
If the United States is going to behave this way I can't see a reason to prefer the United States to Iran or any other nation in a conflict.
It boils down to who has the bigger army at that point: Can you get away with it, in a practical, physical force sense?
Now if the United States would go back to being a beacon of freedom and democracy, a country which is opposed to oppression, and one which believes in the rights of the individual--well in that case I can see why it should be supported over the likes of Iran.
If the United States is going to behave this way I can't see a reason to prefer the United States to Iran or any other nation in a conflict.
It boils down to who has the bigger army at that point: Can you get away with it, in a practical, physical force sense?
Now if the United States would go back to being a beacon of freedom and democracy, a country which is opposed to oppression, and one which believes in the rights of the individual--well in that case I can see why it should be supported over the likes of Iran.
papasmerf said:
War is never pretty, but a country can still fight a war and hold onto their values.
Once you give up those values, know that next time an American soldier is waterboarded, you are ok with it.
Next time an American soldier is killed while held captive (as has happened at Gitmo), you are ok with it.
Once you surrender your values, the line between you and the so-called barbarians becomes fainter and fainter. It amazes me that in my life time, the USA has had a POTUS and VP who not only endorse torture, but do it openly.
Garrett said:
You are right
No one ever beheaded a soldier or planted a roadside bomb. Fact is suicide bombers never existed. And the Twin Towers are still doing business as usual. I see your point. No one hides behind children and in masques.
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