Waterboarding

[papasmerf]

But if both sides are equally bad, how do you choose sides?

If you figure in this case Americans are the same as terrorists you have already chosen your side

 

[fuji]

If you figure in this case Americans are the same as terrorists you have already chosen your side

I am against the side that goes around torturing people. Which side is that?

 

[papasmerf]

I am against the side that goes around torturing people. Which side is that?

If i can i would like to pose a question to you

If your 5 year old niece was kidnapped raped and killed. You knew one of the people who might have been involved in the set up. You brought this person to the attention of the police and they brought him in for questioning and released him. If you had a chance to chat with this person would you take him to a diner and buy him coffee and pie?

 

[fuji]

If you had a chance to chat with this person would you take him to a diner and buy him coffee and pie?

Nope.

Here's a question for you: Would you rape and kill him?

 

[papasmerf]

Nope.

Here's a question for you: Would you rape and kill him?

Rape no

Kill, likely not but would imply I would

 

[Questor]

War is never pretty, but a country can still fight a war and hold onto their values.

Once you give up those values, know that next time an American soldier is waterboarded, you are ok with it.
Next time an American soldier is killed while held captive (as has happened at Gitmo), you are ok with it.

Once you surrender your values, the line between you and the so-called barbarians becomes fainter and fainter. It amazes me that in my life time, the USA has had a POTUS and VP who not only endorse torture, but do it openly.

No, because papa is hypocritical and has double standards, he can say its not okay when "they" do it, but its okay when "we" do it. The line between him and barbarians has already become non-existant, so he has no idea what you are talking about.

But if both sides are equally bad, how do you choose sides?

Wow, that's an easy one. Just watch Fox and CNN. They will tell you.

 

[papasmerf]

No, because papa is hypocritical and has double standards, he can say its not okay when "they" do it, but its okay when "we" do it. The line between him and barbarians has already become non-existant, so he has no idea what you are talking about.

I don't have double standards. In fact I am completely against terrorists. I do not support beheading, suicide bombings, public stoning, arresting a woman for buying wine, roadside bombs, armies who wear no uniforms and I am especially against crashing planes into buildings.

If that makes me a bad person so be it.

 

[fuji]

Rape no

Kill, likely not but would imply I would

So in that case you think you are better than he is?

 

[papasmerf]

So in that case you think you are better than he is?

Interesting question

Yes I think I am better than the killers of my niece.

I would have to let the decision of my being right or wrong up to God and go in knowing full well what the consequences of my actions might be.

 

[Asterix]

The question remains simply this. Do we have the right to use tactics against others that we would condemn if used on us? Do we have the right to torture based on our peception that we are better?

 

[fuji]

Interesting question

Yes I think I am better than the killers of my niece.

I would have to let the decision of my being right or wrong up to God and go in knowing full well what the consequences of my actions might be.

The Islamic terrorists also apparently subscribe to a similar notion about God's will.

Back to the original point, how is it that America is better than the terrorists, exactly?

Is it because America tortures for the right reasons??? What makes them right? How do you choose sides in a conflict that appears to be a race to the bottom?

 

[papasmerf]

The Islamic terrorists also apparently subscribe to a similar notion about God's will.

Back to the original point, how is it that America is better than the terrorists, exactly?

Is it because America tortures for the right reasons??? What makes them right? How do you choose sides in a conflict that appears to be a race to the bottom?

Are you choosing sides or are you choosing which is the lesser of two evils as you present the question

 

[WoodPeckr]

No, because papa is hypocritical and has double standards, he can say its not okay when "they" do it, but its okay when "we" do it. The line between him and barbarians has already become non-existant, so he has no idea what you are talking about.


Wow, that's an easy one. Just watch Fox and CNN. They will tell you.

It's clearly a double standard he's oblivious to seeing......no surprise here.

He fails to see by lowering bar here on torture, Dubya made the USA NO BETTER than those they claimed were his enemy.

 

[papasmerf]

It's clearly a double standard he's oblivious to seeing......no surprise here.

He fails to see by lowering bar here on torture, Dubya made the USA NO BETTER than those they claimed were his enemy.

Woody

You are suggesting that these tactics are new and never before used before bush was in office?????????? Interesting.

 

[fuji]

Are you choosing sides or are you choosing which is the lesser of two evils as you present the question

After viewing photos of what went on at places like Abu Ghraib I am not entirely convinced that the actions taken by America is the lesser evil.

 

[papasmerf]

After viewing photos of what went on at places like Abu Ghraib I am not entirely convinced that the actions taken by America is the lesser evil.

I guess you are right Danial Pearl's family would likely agree with you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pearl

"In March 2007, at a closed military hearing in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said that he had personally beheaded Pearl.[5][6"]

 

[WoodPeckr]

Woody

You are suggesting that these tactics are new and never before used before bush was in office?????????? Interesting.

Not at all!
What the War Criminals of Team 'w' DID was give tacit approval to torture!
Big difference....

 

[Asterix]

Woody

You are suggesting that these tactics are new and never before used before bush was in office?????????? Interesting.

The tactics are not new. That the Bush administration redefined them as legal and not torure was. Answer the question I asked above.

 

[papasmerf]

Not at all!
What the War Criminals of Team 'w' DID was give tacit approval to torture!
Big difference....

You are on drugs if you think this is unique.

 

[WoodPeckr]

You are on drugs if you think this is unique.

Your logic exhibits all the characteristics of being drug induced....

Too much Karl Kool-Aid????