Was Bin Laden assassinated ?

Was Bin Laden assassinated ?

  • Yes, the SEALS were obeying a kill command

    Votes: 59 74.7%
  • No, he was killed because he resisted

    Votes: 8 10.1%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 12 15.2%

  • Total voters
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GPIDEAL

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the president there was being paid off by bin laden so telling him would have been giving bin laden advanced warning and a chance to flee and evade capture and punishment for his crimes once again. as for being moral, who gives a fuck he wasn't being moral when he told his guys to hijack planes and he was being even less moral when the marines busted in on him and he grabbed his wife as a human shield. morality has nothing to do with this, the guy got off easy for the things he did.
Agreed. Morality doesn't apply between combatants or enemies of war.
 

gww

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Somewhere but not here.
In that incident members of the Pakistani military were informed. To make this operation legal only the Pakistani President and perhaps his inner circle needed to know about it.
So lets say Obama told the Pakistan president and he said get lost - stay out and we'll deal with him for you. Do you really think they would have capture Osama (dead or alive) and turned him over to the US. Not a chance in hell.

The circumstances warranted keeping Pakistan in the dark. That does not make it acceptable in other situations.
 

Aardvark154

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You seem to have your own personal, private, unique, and different definition of the word "assassination".
And seemingly you feel Reinhard Heydrich was murdered or was he assassinated rather than merely having been killed by the Resistance.
 

Asterix

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I swear blackrock is obsessed with me. Is it love? Or just infatuation?
Maybe he slows way down at car crashes and train wrecks too.
 

basketcase

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I believe that P'stan public indignation is for local consumption. Secretly, they're glad the little prick is dead and glad they didn't have to do it and face the flack. Pakistan has killed more terrorist inside it's borders than any other country. They have to ride a tight rope between both factions.
I agree fully. I believe that there was more aid announced to PK just after and if a few people there were not aware in advance, they sure weren't complaining. Allowing the US access in exchange for aid and a bit of yelling is little cost to Pakistan and they keep their growing religious segment happy.

As for the OP, I think the SEALs would have taken him alive but they were likely looking for any reason to 'get it done'.
 

hilroy

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dont bend over
Is he dead yes!! Was he buried at Sea not likely hes in a freezer hold aboard a navy ship heading back to the States. There gonna dissect that crazy ass bastard and study his brain.
 

simon482

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Agreed. Morality doesn't apply between combatants or enemies of war.
hey you have to have morals i war. bin laden should have called the president and told him the planes were coming to crash into the buildings to make it moral and legal.
 

GPIDEAL

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hey you have to have morals i war. bin laden should have called the president and told him the planes were coming to crash into the buildings to make it moral and legal.
If only. They might have traced it back to him and killed him sooner.
 

fuji

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Agreed. Morality doesn't apply between combatants or enemies of war.
Sure it does. We've even codified it into the Geneva Conventions. Moreover there is a purely practical dimension here--we are not going two in over the civilian population of the Middle East by committing a series of atrocities. If you think you can win a war that way you are naive. That approach will simple generate more and more people who want to oppose you.
 

seth gecko

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The US has a coupla' executive orders that ban USG employees or agents from participating or conspiring in an assassination.
If anyone feels they have sufficient evidence to indicate that this was an assassination, they might want to get in touch with the nearest office of the Tea Party movement so as to get that Obama fella' turfed from the office he holds.
It was what it was, a very dangerous job in a very dangerous place against a very dangerous target. People often die under those conditions. The SEAL & SOAR teams lost 18 or so members a few years back in a similar situation.
 

GPIDEAL

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Sure it does. We've even codified it into the Geneva Conventions. Moreover there is a purely practical dimension here--we are not going two in over the civilian population of the Middle East by committing a series of atrocities. If you think you can win a war that way you are naive. That approach will simple generate more and more people who want to oppose you.
"Thou shalt not kill" isn't mentioned in the Geneva Convention is it?
 

GPIDEAL

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Sure it does. We've even codified it into the Geneva Conventions. Moreover there is a purely practical dimension here--we are not going two in over the civilian population of the Middle East by committing a series of atrocities. If you think you can win a war that way you are naive. That approach will simple generate more and more people who want to oppose you.
Isn't common knowledge that the majority of Muslims are not extremists like OBL? They all know he was villain and manipulator just like the Taliban. There are other ways to win the MI over. I doubt they will care about him in the long run but the US can't drop the ball on doing whatever it can to support those who are in favour of democracy & individual rights in the Arab states.
 

blackrock13

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The US has a coupla' executive orders that ban USG employees or agents from participating or conspiring in an assassination.
If anyone feels they have sufficient evidence to indicate that this was an assassination, they might want to get in touch with the nearest office of the Tea Party movement so as to get that Obama fella' turfed from the office he holds.
It was what it was, a very dangerous job in a very dangerous place against a very dangerous target. People often die under those conditions. The SEAL & SOAR teams lost 18 or so members a few years back in a similar situation.
Won't happen, they're too lazy.
 

rld

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Sure it does. We've even codified it into the Geneva Conventions. Moreover there is a purely practical dimension here--we are not going two in over the civilian population of the Middle East by committing a series of atrocities. If you think you can win a war that way you are naive. That approach will simple generate more and more people who want to oppose you.
Let's be clear here. You are referring to the killing of OBL as an atrocity?
 

OnlySex

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U.S. had plan to interrogate Osama bin Laden

I heard on the radio that they had a special team on standby. I think this was a to cover the unlikely scenario that they found themselves stuck with a live prisoner.

The soldiers were too well trained to accidentally kill OBL. A charging wife gets shot in the leg while a standing old unarmed man gets two rapid kill shots (heart, head). They easily could have taken him alive if they wanted.
 

simon482

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anyone who thinks there are rules in war is naive. the rules don't apply when it comes to fighting, the lowest blow usually wins. sitting back and claiming moral superiority while your country is being over thrown is not a viable option. countries do what they have to do to win. most people fight to win, not fight to look good. you never hear anyone say they feel good about losing and that they are proud of failing.

as for osama and that war, the u.s did what it set out to do and now it should pack up and come home and worry about the problems at home till attacked again. they did the right thing and everything they needed to do to win.
 

simon482

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I heard on the radio that they had a special team on standby. I think this was a to cover the unlikely scenario that they found themselves stuck with a live prisoner.

The soldiers were too well trained to accidentally kill OBL. A charging wife gets shot in the leg while a standing old unarmed man gets two rapid kill shots (heart, head). They easily could have taken him alive if they wanted.
not sure what you are reading but he grabbed his wife as a human sheild, she was not charging and he was armed and firing. does your report also mention that couple dozen kids in the house that were unharmed and the other civilians in the house that were also unharmed.
 

blackrock13

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Lazy?

It only takes a moment to consider many of your posts and realize just how reactively simpleton they are.

Sometimes you just have to dummy down posts so that the select few can understand them and leave the complex posts for others to take in.

It still won't happen, no matter who pissed in your oatmeal.
 

dirk076

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My own two cents is he was assassinated

If captured he is not talking unless tortured then he could still be lying

Hard to torture someone of such fame even if done behind closed doors

His followers will be taking hostages for trade or worse

Dispose of the body before the world realizes the SEALS actually put several kill shots into him and claim you are obeying Muslim creed for the first time in 10 years of war
Who fucking cares? This mass murdering piece of shit got better than what he deserved. I would have put his head on a spike and planted it at Ground Zero. Radical muslims don't like it? Send out some more Seal teams.
 
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