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Voters In Almost Every Riding Are Worried About Climate Change, Data Suggests

Boober69

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You really can't read a chart, can you.
Take a look at this chart and try reading the legend.
The black line is the average of model projections made around 2000, with the grey bar its range.
The next lines are the different global temp measurements, from HadCRUT to GISTEMP.
Note that the projection goes to 2020, while the measurements end at 2018, which is the latest annual report.

That means it shows the very latest measurements of global temperature, which means this is the very latest update of 2000 computer model projections vs all global temperature readings.

Sheesh.
...and the money collected for carbon taxes will help this apparent situation by what % and how will that be measured against the amount collected to determine the impact over time?
 

Boober69

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Which Canadian candidates are the right wingers going to vote for?? None of them resonate this notion that Climate Change is a "Hoax" perpetrated by the "Alarmists"!! We saw Baby Scheer come up with his rather muddled solution to it in todays debate. But all the same he still believes in the Climate Change and the Greenhouse gas Emissions as he wants to "punish" those emitters. However, we know that there are only around 6% of the Climate Change Deniers in Canada, but they seem to be concentrated on this Board!!
Have you even considered that perhaps most people don't want to bother getting into a debate or be called names and just answer?
Silent majority.

Or stick with your numbers if that makes you feel better.
 

JohnLarue

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You really can't read a chart, can you.
Take a look at this chart and try reading the legend.
The black line is the average of model projections made around 2000, with the grey bar its range.
The next lines are the different global temp measurements, from HadCRUT to GISTEMP.
Note that the projection goes to 2020, while the measurements end at 2018, which is the latest annual report.

That means it shows the very latest measurements of global temperature, which means this is the very latest update of 2000 computer model projections vs all global temperature readings.

Sheesh.
You can't read your own graph
Besides the fact there are no references to explain who produced the graph
The left hand margin states -Temperature Anomaly (ref 1980-1999)
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Everything after 1999 was an inaccurate computer model so as onthebottom accurately points out, this is 19 years old.

See post # 34


You have pull this stunt several times so you must have an IPCC, NOAA or NASA source link to this specific graph with a verifiable real date.
Show this or admit what you have done here & then say no more on this subject

Here is a more up-to-date picture of what is occuring
 

Frankfooter

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You can't read your own graph
Besides the fact there are no references to explain who produced the graph
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Everything after 1999 was an inaccurate computer model so as onthebottom accurately points out, this is 19 years old.

You have pull this stunt several times so you must have an IPCC, NOAA or NASA source link to this specific graph with a verifiable real date.
Show this or admit what you have done here & then say no more on this subject
The chart is posted by Gavin Schmidt
https://twitter.com/climateofgavin?lang=en
Its put together and updated annually by realclimate who collect the data from the sources
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2019/02/update-day/
Its also worth reading their post on modelling and the history of projections.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/climate-model-projections-compared-to-observations/

What the chart notes are the projections made in 1999 plotted against the latest annual global temp results.
And the chart is updated every year, it shows the global temp readings up to 2018 (latest full years temp), so is most definitely up to date and not 19 years old.
It shows the accuracy of projections made in 1999.




Here is a more up-to-date picture of what is occuring
Again, you are trying to bait and switch IPCC model projections of surface temperatures against atmospheric temperature anomalies that happen in the clouds where the temperature is roughly 40ºC colder.
Not only that, but your chart is 4 years old, with the last satellite entry in 2015.
You failed to read your own chart, failed to read the realclimate chart and still are trying to compare surface projections against temps in the mid troposphere.

Total failure.
 

oil&gas

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Ghawar
Almost every riding worried about climate change are
burning fossil fuel through driving like there is no tomorrow.
Voters concern for climate change in reality mean very little to
our politicians. They will worry more about the solution
which has to be higher prices at the pump.
 

JohnLarue

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Again, you are trying to bait and switch IPCC model projections of surface temperatures against atmospheric temperature anomalies that happen in the clouds where the temperature is roughly 40ºC colder.
Not only that, but your chart is 4 years old, with the last satellite entry in 2015.
You failed to read your own chart, failed to read the realclimate chart and still are trying to compare surface projections against temps in the mid troposphere.

Total failure.
Bait & Switch you say ???
What a pile of garbage
Explain how the surface is heating up faster than the atmosphere if CO2 in the ATMOSPHERE is causing the Greenhouse effect to warm the planet?
That is defiantly not a result the GReenhouse gas theory predicts. Ask an alarmist scientist
Temperature anomaly is the change in temp per unit time . Again it is calculus, something you do not understand
The two are in contact and thus strive to achieve thermal equilibrium.
The greenhouse gas theory does not violate the second law of thermodynamics, but the idea the planet is heating up at a faster rate than the atmosphere would violate the second law of thermodynamics.

The logical (and only)rational explanation is the Surface Temperature record is biased by incomplete coverage & the urban heat Island effect

Your response will of coarse be to trash John Christy. A non-scientific and despicable approach to a scientific issue by someone who plainly does not understand any science
 

Frankfooter

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Bait & Switch you say ???
What a pile of garbage
Yes, bait and switch.
You are trying to bait and switch IPCC model projections of surface temperatures against atmospheric temperature anomalies that happen in the clouds where the temperature is roughly 40ºC colder.
Explain how the surface is heating up faster than the atmosphere if CO2 in the ATMOSPHERE is causing the Greenhouse effect to warm the planet?
Some of sunlights energy warms the atmosphere through IR and UV (22%), but most of that energy (45%) treats the atmosphere as transparent and that energy is absorbed by the surface, warming it.
Lie down on the road on a hot summer day, do you get warmer than when standing up?
That's the energy absorbed by the surface of the planet.
 

JohnLarue

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Yes, bait and switch.
You are trying to bait and switch IPCC model projections of surface temperatures against atmospheric temperature anomalies that happen in the clouds where the temperature is roughly 40ºC colder.
Nope


Some of sunlights energy warms the atmosphere through IR and UV (22%), but most of that energy (45%) treats the atmosphere as transparent and that energy is absorbed by the surface, warming it.
Lie down on the road on a hot summer day, do you get warmer than when standing up?
That's the energy absorbed by the surface of the planet.
you do not understand the greenhouse effect at all
This is like trying to discuss newtons laws with a chimp

The greenhouse effect is the trapping of IR emitted from the surface
If you are claiming the change in temperature is a result of incoming radiation from the sun then clearly it is not a man made issue
Learn something about this subject for once

The impact of incoming UV is primarily in the upper atmosphere long before it reaches the troposphere (otherwise you would be dead long ago from skin cancer)
There is no significant UV emission from the surface

The planet can not be heating up at a faster rate than the atmosphere on a continuous basis
ask an honest alarmist scientist ie. someone who finished high school & understands thermodynamics & calculus

You just do not get it & you do not care that you do not get it
All you care about is maintaining the lie.
 

Frankfooter

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Yes, bait and switch.
You are trying to bait and switch IPCC model projections of surface temperatures against atmospheric temperature anomalies that happen in the clouds where the temperature is roughly 40ºC colder.
What you did is like having a debate about Toronto's weather and you tried to use a chart from Baffin Island to prove that winter is cold in Toronto.


you do not understand the greenhouse effect at all
This is like trying to discuss newtons laws with a chimp

The greenhouse effect is the trapping of IR emitted from the surface
If you are claiming the change in temperature is a result of incoming radiation from the sun then clearly it is not a man made issue
Learn something about this subject for once

The impact of incoming UV is primarily in the upper atmosphere long before it reaches the troposphere (otherwise you would be dead long ago from skin cancer)
There is no significant UV emission from the surface

The planet can not be heating up at a faster rate than the atmosphere on a continuous basis
ask an honest alarmist scientist ie. someone who finished high school & understands thermodynamics & calculus

You just do not get it & you do not care that you do not get it
All you care about is maintaining the lie.
Stop with the insults, that gets you banned here.
If you can't argue the science, then don't post at all.

You are claiming that only IR and UV heat the atmosphere while ignoring visible light.
That is wrong.

The "Energy Budget" for Sunlight:

45% is absorbed by the ground (heats the ground)
22% is absorbed in the atmosphere (heats the air)
26% is reflected back into space by clouds and lost
7% is reflected back into space by the ground, oceans, snow & ice.
Only 67% of sunlight actually heats the Earth.
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast161/Unit5/atmos.html
 

Orion1027

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They should be more concerned about the economy & a diminishing standard of living under Trudeau.
 

Frankfooter

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They should be more concerned about the economy & a diminishing standard of living under Trudeau.
The economy has been booming under Trudeau.
The diminishing standard of living can only be fixed by more progressive taxation.
 
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