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Video of Iran's Morality Police Beating Teen Girls Sparks Outrage

Hunter96

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Why so much fuss about this? US and western countries recognise Taliban as a govt of Afghanistan and these things are pretty normal in Syria laws followed by Taliban?

not sure what is the point of highlighting this for Iran?
 
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southpaw

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not sure what is the point of highlighting this for Iran?
Because Iran is a threat to Israel.

Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, none of them are a threat to the West. Neither was Iraq under Saddam.

But Iran is a threat to Israel. And that's all that matters.
 

Hunter96

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A look at history has me thinking Iran wouldn't be a democracy, at least not the kind we have.

The Pahlavis took the throne by a coup themselves in 1925 and despite the existence of a parliament, Iran was still a semi-autocratic state. It's also worth noting that the Shah was only briefly out of power between '51 and '53.

of course we could then add in the conflicting ideals sweeping the region at that time with the battles between nationalists, west focused progressives, communists, and Islamists and it is quite likely that simply eliminating 1953 would not make significant change to the themes there.

But it's easier to simply blame the UK/US and pretend that Persians/Iranians were just helpless pawns.
You mean to say only US /UK democracy is democracy? Does this mean any other “elected” government is not democratic coz it doesn’t suits US/UK agenda?
 

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Why so much fuss about this? US and western countries recognise Taliban as a govt of Afghanistan and these things are pretty normal in Syria laws followed by Taliban?

not sure what is the point of highlighting this for Iran?
Not really. I think China recognizes the Taliban as a legitimate government. That is about it.
 

Frankfooter

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All Arab Israeli citizens have full voting rights as well as all the same other rights as Jewish Israeli citizens have.
2 million Palestinians who live under Israeli rule are refused citizenship, the return of their land and the right to vote.
You can't argue that everyone gets to vote by refusing citizenship to the indigenous population, Shazi.

 

Frankfooter

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At last you are admitting that Iran treats their visible minority citizens like shit, including the 8,000 Jewish Iranian citizens. Israel treats all of their citizens equally.
Israel is apartheid and committing genocide.
You can't get any worse than that, Shazi.
You own the position as the most racist country with the worst treatment to their indigenous majority.

 

shack

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2 million Palestinians who live under Israeli rule are refused citizenship, the return of their land and the right to vote.
But as you rightly point out they are not citizens. Israel, like every other sovereign state in the world, has the right to bestow citizenship on whomever they choose, arbitrarily or not. It doesn't matter. I said that unlike Iran, which even you said treats their minority citizens poorly, Israel treats all of their citizens equally and this statement is accurate. Jump up and down and scream all you want, but that is the reality.
You can't argue that everyone gets to vote by refusing citizenship to the indigenous population, Shazi.
I just did.

It's a reality that you need to deal with. It is Israel's right to decide who become citizens. The Palis are not citizens and hence, do not get to vote. It's a rather simple concept.
 

shack

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Israel is apartheid and committing genocide.
Israel treats all of it's citizens equally which is the opposite of apartheid. They are under no obligation to treat non-citizens, who, BTW, do not even reside in Israel, the same as Israeli citizens. It's a ridiculous claim.

The UN passed resolution #1761 condemning S. African apartheid.

Let me know when they pass resolutions like that regarding Israeli apartheid and genocide. Until then, you can, with all due respect, STFU.
 

Frankfooter

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Israel treats all of it's citizens equally which is the opposite of apartheid. They are under no obligation to treat non-citizens, who, BTW, do not even reside in Israel, the same as Israeli citizens. It's a ridiculous claim.

The UN passed resolution #1761 condemning S. African apartheid.

Let me know when they pass resolutions like that regarding Israeli apartheid and genocide. Until then, you can, with all due respect, STFU.
Your arguments are idiotic, Shazi.
Israel is apartheid and the world recognizes it as apartheid.

Racial supremacy is just fucked in the head.
 
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shack

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Your arguments are idiotic, Shazi.
Israel is apartheid and the world recognizes it as apartheid.
The UN speaks for the world and they have not said that Israel is apartheid. They said that S. Africa was apartheid with resolution #1761. They have not said that with Israel. No resolutions. You're shooting blanks again.
 

Frankfooter

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The UN speaks for the world and they have not said that Israel is apartheid.
As you note, the UN speaks for the world.

The UN says Israel is apartheid.

HRW notes that the UN's court, the ICJ ruled Israel is apartheid.
 

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As you note, the UN speaks for the world.

The UN says Israel is apartheid.

HRW notes that the UN's court, the ICJ ruled Israel is apartheid.
Frank, I think your exchanging with a BOT.
Not an issue, you're winning nonetheless.
 

Klatuu

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Israel treats all of it's citizens equally which is the opposite of apartheid. They are under no obligation to treat non-citizens, who, BTW, do not even reside in Israel, the same as Israeli citizens. It's a ridiculous claim.

The UN passed resolution #1761 condemning S. African apartheid.

Let me know when they pass resolutions like that regarding Israeli apartheid and genocide. Until then, you can, with all due respect, STFU.
Cult fiction
 
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shack

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Too late, you showed how Israel withholds citizenship of its indigenous population to maintain its apartheid state.
Thank you for agreeing that they are not citizens, they do not have the right to vote and that Israel has the absolute right to bestow that right on whomever they want and for whatever reasons they choose. Just like every other sovereign state on the face of the earth.

You want to treat Israel differently. That is apartheid.
 
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