Maybe YOU distrust the police but I certainly don't.......so please, speak for YOURself, not everyone......
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Have you forgottenMaybe YOU distrust the police but I certainly don't.......so please, speak for YOURself, not everyone......
Guy Paul Morand
David Milgard
Donald Marshal
Susan Nellis
Steven Truscott
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Just saw the tv show on Milgard -- police intimated witnesses to convict that is sure trustworthy
and you contine to fawn over them
Lmao
It does not take 5-6 well trained, well equipped Police or Correction officers to subdue someone.
This person, male student, could have been put down to the ground by one well trained person. It's all about leverage, you remember, "wax on, wax off"
There are so many pressure points on the body, especially the hand to shoulder area. This commotion could have and should have not escalated. In fact, it's quite possible that the number of officers involved escalated the situation! You know, "everyone wants to be a hero and get involved"
No before you bash me, I was a professional corrections officer for 20 years before leaving for greener pastures. Too often young officers just don't listen to the more experienced.
I'm not saying that the officer may not get hurt, but that is inherit with the job.
It does not take 5-6 well trained, well equipped Police or Correction officers to subdue someone.
This person, male student, could have been put down to the ground by one well trained person. It's all about leverage, you remember, "wax on, wax off"
There are so many pressure points on the body, especially the hand to shoulder area. This commotion could have and should have not escalated. In fact, it's quite possible that the number of officers involved escalated the situation! You know, "everyone wants to be a hero and get involved"
No before you bash me, I was a professional corrections officer for 20 years before leaving for greener pastures. Too often young officers just don't listen to the more experienced.
I'm not saying that the officer may not get hurt, but that is inherit with the job.
Imagine if that was really true, that means we'd need six men in every police cruiser in the event they'd have to hold down one individual resisting arrest, lol, don't think so, and we all know it's a frequent occurence for police to arrest someone who is unwilling to be arrested. That is way over the top.Yes, it does take 6 men to hold down and handcuff a man who is resisting arrest and trying not to be handcuffed -
There seem to be a lot of naive people on this board.
Read HOF's post above, he knows what he's talking about.
I don't think naive is the right word, perhaps uniformed or even ignorant are better words.
oh, so you subscribe to the "one bad apple spoils the whole basket"???Have you forgotten
Guy Paul Morand
David Milgard
Donald Marshal
Susan Nellis
Steven Truscott
and the rest of the list
Just saw the tv show on Milgard -- police intimated witnesses to convict that is sure trustworthy
and you contine to fawn over them
So you stated, 5 instances, how about this?
Between 1999 and 2003 there were 407,716 Sentenced cases and outcomes in adult criminal court. So, that is what? About 0.00000122%....
OH kay, so all cops are bad, and none should be trusted. DOH you're such a homer.
Btw, those stats don't include automobile charges, youth, young offender, those arrested but released, etc etc etc.....
Dumbass
and you continue to state that none of them can be trustworthy. Any extreme is just as bad as the other. So, whatever negative you say about my support of the police you are actually saying the same about yourself........and you contine to fawn over them
Ok Rambo, you're right. But as some other poster noted, who said this kind of situation is supposed to be a fair fight? Also, to be frank, is it really our place as civilians to tell police officers to incur any more risk than they already do? I'm a liberal, but not a bleeding heart liberal . . . sometimes order needs to be imposed, for the sake of the majority. The officers subdued the dude and eliminated the threat to themselves, and I'm OK with that, because ultimately I can cruise around most places in Canada knowing police are trying to keep me safe. Is it really unreasonable that police maximize their safety when possible?It does not take 5-6 well trained, well equipped Police or Correction officers to subdue someone. . . . . This person, male student, could have been put down to the ground by one well trained person . . . I was a professional corrections officer for 20 years . . . I'm not saying that the officer may not get hurt, but that is inherit with the job.
HOF is living in some MMA fantasy.Imagine if that was really true, that means we'd need six men in every police cruiser in the event they'd have to hold down one individual resisting arrest, lol, don't think so, and we all know it's a frequent occurence for police to arrest someone who is unwilling to be arrested. That is way over the top.
Read HOF's post above, he knows what he's talking about.
I don't think naive is the right word, perhaps uniformed or even ignorant are better words.
Sure, it's entirely possible for one man to subdue another man. It happens often. But it is far more effective when 5+ guys are doing it and the damage to all parties is minimized.
Let us return to the question: does it absolutely require 5 cops to subdue one guy? No. Does this mean that cops should let one or two officers subdue a guy when there are other officers available to help? Fuck no. You maximize your resources where possible and minimize damage when possible.
Next time a cop gets injured or killed attempting to subdue some lunatic, I hope you're as vocal in your support of cops as you are in crying over how many cops it takes to subdue a delusional college student.
I was thinking something similar: I wonder if all these cop haters rejoice and hold a party whenever a cop gets killed in the line of duty?........Next time a cop gets injured or killed attempting to subdue some lunatic, I hope you're as vocal in your support of cops as you are in crying over how many cops it takes to subdue a delusional college student.
I also can't help wondering if they feel the same way about the soldiers fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq. I mean, here they are driving around in armored vehicles, isn't that unfair? Shouldn't they be riding horses etc like the insurgents?
I mean, while we're talking about fair, I mean hell, we should take away cop's sidearms and kevlar too. Heck, it's only fair....
I'm more interested in knowing what the magical number of cops should have been. The claim is that 5 is simply too many and it's some sort of travesty of justice.
How many officers should it have been? One? Two? Three? Four? What is the magical number? Furthermore, how do you determine this number?
The fact that the student suffered no serious injuries and none of the cops did either is a testament to the effectiveness in the way they subdued the student. If it had been one or two cops, they would have struggled longer and Lord knows they might have been forced to taser the guy. And we all know that the crybabies would be up in arms about that too. The cops can't win with unreasonable critics. I'm the first to call out cops who do wrong. I'm also the first to applaud them on a job well done. This was a job well done.
People who compare this video to the Rodney King beating are out to lunch on so many levels it's frightening.
How many officers should it have been? One? Two? Three? Four? What is the magical number? Furthermore, how do you determine this number?
The fact that the student suffered no serious injuries and none of the cops did either is a testament to the effectiveness in the way they subdued the student. If it had been one or two cops, they would have struggled longer and Lord knows they might have been forced to taser the guy. And we all know that the crybabies would be up in arms about that too. The cops can't win with unreasonable critics. I'm the first to call out cops who do wrong. I'm also the first to applaud them on a job well done. This was a job well done.
People who compare this video to the Rodney King beating are out to lunch on so many levels it's frightening.
I'm one of the biggest supporters of the police both in my community and in supporting their causes. Yes they get a bum rap most of the times, but there are a few rotten apples in the bunch as well, nothing is perfect, but for the most part they are great.
I'm saying in this particular incident at UWO when there are 5 plus cops trying to justifiably arrest 1 individual, there was no need to keep kneeing him, club him and punch him. The 5 guys could still have accomplished the job to handcuff him without the constant hits, it's an overkill IMO.
fyi, I spoke to a couple of my cop friends and they say it was a little over the top with the physical hits considering the number of cops involved, sometimes the emotion gets in the way in the heat of battle. That's all I'm saying, the punishment doesn't fit the crime so to speak.
I'm saying in this particular incident at UWO when there are 5 plus cops trying to justifiably arrest 1 individual, there was no need to keep kneeing him, club him and punch him. The 5 guys could still have accomplished the job to handcuff him without the constant hits, it's an overkill IMO.
fyi, I spoke to a couple of my cop friends and they say it was a little over the top with the physical hits considering the number of cops involved, sometimes the emotion gets in the way in the heat of battle. That's all I'm saying, the punishment doesn't fit the crime so to speak.
I'd say that is more a matter of luck than anything.The fact that the student suffered no serious injuries and none of the cops did either is a testament to the effectiveness in the way they subdued the student.
They did not look like highly skilled trained professionals to me.
That being said, I have zero sympathy for that idiot.
The guy was acting like a lunatic and he doesn't even remember why.
Even if he did end up with a broken arm or something like that it would have been his own fault.
They should have tased his ass.
You idiot they have proven as group to be willing to lie at any and all times and now butt kissers like you trot out the one bad apple lineoh, so you subscribe to the "one bad apple spoils the whole basket"???
So you stated, 5 instances, how about this?
Between 1999 and 2003 there were 407,716 Sentenced cases and outcomes in adult criminal court. So, that is what? About 0.00000122%....
OH kay, so all cops are bad, and none should be trusted. DOH you're such a homer.
Btw, those stats don't include automobile charges, youth, young offender, those arrested but released, etc etc etc.....
Dumbass
and you continue to state that none of them can be trustworthy. Any extreme is just as bad as the other. So, whatever negative you say about my support of the police you are actually saying the same about yourself.....
Not one of the bad apples involved in any of the cases was investigated and charged -- that proves that there are many acomplices.
oh, so, well, people in general lie to cover their asses. So I guess by your logic EVERYONE can't be trusted.....Nice to live in your world.....NOT.You idiot they have proven as group to be willing to lie at any and all times and now butt kissers like you trot out the one bad apple line
Not one of the bad apples involved in any of the cases was investigated and charged -- that proves that there are many acomplices.
Ok, so, let's up the percentage: say there's 500 cases, that's what, 0.000122%? How about 5000? 0.00122%....how about 50,000? That would be 0.0122%...you haven't even made it to 1% yet......Yeah, all cops can't be trusted, but neither can: politicians, doctors, lawyers, CEOs, bank managers, bartenders, women, men, kids, teenagers, plumbers, contractors, carpenters, escorts, madames, strippers, waitresses, sheiks, muslims, priests, jews, etc etc etc.....
oh, so, well, people in general lie to cover their asses. So I guess by your logic EVERYONE can't be trusted.....Nice to live in your world.....NOT.
Ok, so, let's up the percentage: say there's 500 cases, that's what, 0.000122%? How about 5000? 0.00122%....how about 50,000? That would be 0.0122%...you haven't even made it to 1% yet......Yeah, all cops can't be trusted, but neither can: politicians, doctors, lawyers, CEOs, bank managers, bartenders, women, men, kids, teenagers, plumbers, contractors, carpenters, escorts, madames, strippers, waitresses, sheiks, muslims, priests, jews, etc etc etc.....
How about the ones we don't know about? How about the ones that an innocent person took a deal because they couldn't afford a lawyer?
it's so easy to quote statistics without considering the facts and the facts are that in 100% of the cases we know about no action was taken to deal with criminal wrong doing on the part of the police. That 100% not 1% or .1 or .001%
Not one of the cases of sending an innocent person to jail resulted in any form of discipline to either the crown or the police
oh, you "know" do you? Are you somehow connected with the police services board? The metro toronto police department and all other police agencies across Canada?
So tell me: what is it like living the life of a paranoid? Do those voices keep you up at night? How can you even leave your house knowing that corrupt police are just waiting to get you?
LOL If you feel all our cops are bad I guess you've never seen what they are like in Russia...lol......
So tell me: what is it like living the life of a paranoid? Do those voices keep you up at night? How can you even leave your house knowing that corrupt police are just waiting to get you?
LOL If you feel all our cops are bad I guess you've never seen what they are like in Russia...lol......
LMFAO.
So, to one of the members, I'm Rambo and to another I'm living in an MMA fantasy.
No, I was a professional correctional officer trained in CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM and hand to hand combat.
It doesn't take that many to subdue one person that is how permanent injuries, accidental deaths, then inquests happen. I can't believe that there are that many naive people reading these boards. In fact, you seemed to miss that fact that I said policing is a very admirable profession. However, the young recruits are not listening to the experienced officers, and do also take a look around at your areas recruits. Could they handle themselves? Policing has changed yet again in Ontario, and It's my understanding that many forces including the RCMP are having difficulty getting recruits.
So, to one of the members, I'm Rambo and to another I'm living in an MMA fantasy.
No, I was a professional correctional officer trained in CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM and hand to hand combat.
It doesn't take that many to subdue one person that is how permanent injuries, accidental deaths, then inquests happen. I can't believe that there are that many naive people reading these boards. In fact, you seemed to miss that fact that I said policing is a very admirable profession. However, the young recruits are not listening to the experienced officers, and do also take a look around at your areas recruits. Could they handle themselves? Policing has changed yet again in Ontario, and It's my understanding that many forces including the RCMP are having difficulty getting recruits.
No shit.....who would want to be a cop when people like goof, I mean guelph think that they are all corrupt and crooked? Doesn't matter if you are hard working, have integrity, save burning babies, rescue 20 cats from trees, if you wear a badge and uniform? You're automatically bad.....LMFAO.
So, to one of the members, I'm Rambo and to another I'm living in an MMA fantasy.
No, I was a professional correctional officer trained in CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM and hand to hand combat.
It doesn't take that many to subdue one person that is how permanent injuries, accidental deaths, then inquests happen. I can't believe that there are that many naive people reading these boards. In fact, you seemed to miss that fact that I said policing is a very admirable profession. However, the young recruits are not listening to the experienced officers, and do also take a look around at your areas recruits. Could they handle themselves? Policing has changed yet again in Ontario, and It's my understanding that many forces including the RCMP are having difficulty getting recruits.
Thankfully there are people like me (and others) who realize that it is a tough job and no matter what you do, you're going to be pissed upon by someone.
With idots like you kissing butt and accepting the whitewash stories the problems will never be addressedNo shit.....who would want to be a cop when people like goof, I mean guelph think that they are all corrupt and crooked? Doesn't matter if you are hard working, have integrity, save burning babies, rescue 20 cats from trees, if you wear a badge and uniform? You're automatically bad.....
Thankfully there are people like me (and others) who realize that it is a tough job and no matter what you do, you're going to be pissed upon by someone.
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time to fit right in with the other agenda zealots..................With idots like you kissing butt and accepting the whitewash stories the problems will never be addressed
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Fair point. However, I believe that a few strikes to the head and body is well within the proper punishment during fierce resistance of arrest.fyi, I spoke to a couple of my cop friends and they say it was a little over the top with the physical hits considering the number of cops involved, sometimes the emotion gets in the way in the heat of battle. That's all I'm saying, the punishment doesn't fit the crime so to speak.
Maybe you're right. I'm not an expert. Can you describe what highly skilled trained professionals would look like when dealing with the same guy resisting arrest when they have him on the ground? Same thing without the hitting? Asking "pretty please" rather than "stop resisting"?I'd say that is more a matter of luck than anything.
They did not look like highly skilled trained professionals to me.
Tell us how things would have unfolded in your textbook Crisis Response Team scenario?No, I was a professional correctional officer trained in CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM and hand to hand combat.
It doesn't take that many to subdue one person that is how permanent injuries, accidental deaths, then inquests happen.
Are cops trained to know these 'pressure points' you speak of?
