Isn't there a big difference in the Court permitting Mississippi's 15 week limit as opposed to opening up the possibility of Mississippi banning abortion altogether?
USSC strikes down Roe v Wade
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Yeah, it's a wedge issue, great for fundraising and mobilizing the base. And that's why a compromise is next to impossible to achieve. Although, now the compromise will have to be worked out just like in most other countries.
You're cheering on the fact that New Zealand an isolated, island nation of 5 million is joining Canada on this issue?
Much of Western Europe and Australia have restrictions.
As I have said though, the strict constitionalists on the Court have this perversion to have fifty states regulating this personal matter. The further you push down privacy matters Federal-State-County-City and so on, the more likely your neighbor can regulate your privacy and personal matters.
The left clearly has an agenda. If anyone disagrees with their agenda, the left will stalk, harass, persecute and cancel that person. With them there is no middle ground.
Perhaps being married to that karen will help having Thomas ban interracial marriage to have his peers avoiding making the same mistake as himTo steal a line from Bill Maher last night, "I wonder if Thomas will want to revisit the law on inter-racial law"?
There's simply no choice aside of passing an amendment. And even for that to happen, a great compromise needs to be reached on the termination limits.
But yet the strict constitutionalist do not the think the same for gun law? Removing state regulations just 2 days ago?
In a way we have them too. The vast majority of abortions are first and early trimester ones. The few late one ones are due to serious medical issues. Doctors won't just perform a late term abortion on request for a healthy fetus. And such request Usually that means its a mental health crisis on the mother's part and they treat it accordingly.
We keep it as a non moral issue. And yes we make some compromises as a result. Sex selection abortions exist in some communities. But proving intent would be near impossible. And its another unwanted fetus anyway.
There will never be a perfect way to have this. But ours seems to be far better as it prevents criminalization. The USA is too prone to punishment compared to the rest of the west. And that is the real danger to women, along with all the other problems of not having it available.
Yes, it's a medical care / medical ethics issue in this country, not a criminal process issue.
Yah, that's what they said about slavery too, back in the 1850's. Great for fund-raising and mobilizing the base, but not a genuine issue.
But more seriously.... how is the now-total denial of abortion in MO not a 'real issue"??
Most of Western Europe enacted compromise legislation which survives - in part - because many of those countries are predominantly Catholic. And even Germany has an active Catholic political presence.
But Canada amply proves that criminal legislation is unnecessary to regulate an area where the only considerations should be medical practicality and medical ethics. Our model works perfectly well. It's survived without political challenge for 40 years. And it would be a no-brainer to re-enact anti choice criminal legislation using the Notwithstanding Clause, if there was sufficient political pressure. But no one wants to do that, except a small handful of fringe Tories from religious small town communities on the Prairies.
Again you bring up this bullshit argument that the only people who want decriminalization of abortion are "Democrat extremist baby-killing commies". That's simply not true and arguing "Well that's how it is in France and Germany" is a sad argument, because no one in Canada gives a fuck.
‘Why is it that people against abortion are people you wouldn’t want to fuck in the first place!’ Carlin
At a minimum, we can agree that the U.S. constitution does specifically mention guns. Abortion is not specifically mentioned.
I am aware that abortion is legal in Canada. Nowhere in my post did I say it wasn't.
MY point was that although legal, abortion services in Canada have long waitlists and many who do not live in large cities are without access. Now with this ruling in the USA, women will be traveling to Canada to access our services, affecting already long waitlist times for Canadians.
I was only pointing out to some who think that this does not or will not directly affect Canada "so who cares", that it could actually have an affect on our already lacking abortion services.
Despite what some may think, you cannot go to any doctor or walk into any hospital to have an abortion in Canada.
It's too early to tell. The people jazzed up about the ruling one way or another are already locked into voting for a party.
The job of the Democrats is to convince unaligned people that this ruling is as important as the economy and other issues. And even that contains political risk. The Dems can't oversell the Supreme Court ruling at the expense of other issues.
Is this specific to Ontario? In Quebec the delay is at the most 2 weeks. Except for far rural area where girl are either ask to travel to montreal or wait up to 4 weeks (which is kind of unacceptable..)
There are going to be quite a few Democrats who support this. Black Evangelical vote(not seeing any black pastors out denouncing it are you?), Hispanic Catholics, NE Catholics, and others.
And a shit ton of women who also support it.
Its going to get ugly.
