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US will be taking name in Jerusalem vote...most dickish admin in history?

wigglee

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Stupid for Canada to abstain in the middle of NAFTA negotiations. A Yemen/Turkey initiative of no consequence was a perfect opportunity to score some really crucial points at no cost to us, whatsoever.
No cost except we look like a 2 faced sellout who kissed Trump's ass which will put us on the wrong side of history. Or if that's wrong, there will be no more history.
 

HungSowel

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And the alliance with the EU serves what purpose for Canada? Is the EU going to pick up the trade slack? Is the Palestinian issue the hill we want to die on? What did they ever do for us?
If more people like you were in the government, we would have been in Iraq. Thank god that is not the case.
 

jcpro

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No cost except we look like a 2 faced sellout who kissed Trump's ass which will put us on the wrong side of history. Or if that's wrong, there will be no more history.
Canada owes nothing to the Palestinian Arabs. Where Americans place their embassy is their business and completely unimportant in the greater scheme of things. And it's completely unimportant to Canada, too. What is important to every single Canadian is a smooth flow of trade because without it, we're screwed. Only a complete idiot plays games with his livelihood.
 

Insidious Von

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And the alliance with the EU serves what purpose for Canada? Is the EU going to pick up the trade slack? Is the Palestinian issue the hill we want to die on? What did they ever do for us?
Except for the last sentence, I agree with this. Trudeau took the best course possible. Canada's Jewish community helped make him Prime Minister but at the same time he can't risk his trade deals with the EU by siding with the USA. This is different from Chretien opting to stay out of the Iraq War.
 

jcpro

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Except for the last sentence, I agree with this. Trudeau took the best course possible. Canada's Jewish community helped make him Prime Minister but at the same time he can't risk his trade deals with the EU by siding with the USA. This is different from Chretien opting to stay out of the Iraq War.
What is the percentage of the vote that Jews contribute to the LPC?
 

Frankfooter

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Canada owes nothing to the Palestinian Arabs. Where Americans place their embassy is their business and completely unimportant in the greater scheme of things. And it's completely unimportant to Canada, too. What is important to every single Canadian is a smooth flow of trade because without it, we're screwed. Only a complete idiot plays games with his livelihood.
Canada also owes nothing to Israel.

80% of Canadians support sanctions on Israel now, Trudeau's position seems to be based on lobbyists rather then the will of his electorate. Canada has also done well internationally based on its been a law abiding and corruption free country, refusing to back international law being applied to Israel is against this image and not smart diplomatically, since we are being aligned with the least popular president of the US and the incredibly unpopular Israel.

Its just not smart diplomatically.
 

toguy5252

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Canada pussies out - nothing new here.
As usual Canada stands on the sidelines rather than taking a principled position on either side. Harper would not have abstained. In always trying to be the "honest broker" it has become neutered.
 

Frankfooter

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As usual Canada stands on the sidelines rather than taking a principled position on either side. Harper would not have abstained. In always trying to be the "honest broker" it has become neutered.
The NDP say they would have voted yes instead of abstained, that's the only party that would take a stand.
But its so sad for the US that they are having a party for those countries not on the UN 'list', but they are including Canada and those who abstained.
That's so sad for them, like inviting the folks who didn't say 'you're stupid' publicly to your birthday party.
 

basketcase

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The NDP say they would have voted yes instead of abstained, that's the only party that would take a stand.....
Trudeau should have taken a stand for world peace and stated that Jerusalem (or at least different parts of it) will be the capital of Israel and Palestine.

It is only because of the oil/Arab lobby that countries are made to pretend that Israel's capital hasn't been in West Jerusalem since Israel's founding. It's just another example of hatred where Arab states can't accept Israel existing.

Trump's announcement was in no way productive but it also doesn't change facts on the ground except to give Palestinians yet another excuse to avoid the possibility of peace with Israel.
 

Frankfooter

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Trudeau should have taken a stand for world peace and stated that Jerusalem (or at least different parts of it) will be the capital of Israel and Palestine.
You should take a stand and honour your own words.

According to the UN, the border between Israel/Palestine will be negotiated based on the 1949 armistice lines
You still can't or won't state what you think the border of Israel really is, yet now are stating that Jerusalem's border is set, based off of land gained through war.
Which is a war crime.

You should really back Canadian values, the rule of law and equal rights.
 

jcpro

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Canada also owes nothing to Israel.

80% of Canadians support sanctions on Israel now, Trudeau's position seems to be based on lobbyists rather then the will of his electorate. Canada has also done well internationally based on its been a law abiding and corruption free country, refusing to back international law being applied to Israel is against this image and not smart diplomatically, since we are being aligned with the least popular president of the US and the incredibly unpopular Israel.

Its just not smart diplomatically.
You wouldn't know "smart" if you stepped in it. 80% my ass! Ask them if they still favour sanctions, if that causes the American market to become restricted. Want to guess an outcome of such poll?
 

Frankfooter

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You wouldn't know "smart" if you stepped in it. 80% my ass! Ask them if they still favour sanctions, if that causes the American market to become restricted. Want to guess an outcome of such poll?
That was from memory, I'll correct it and give you the real numbers and source.
66% of Canadians support sanctions against Israel.
78% support boycotts (that was my error, though that was the 80% that I referred to).
91% think that sanctions are a reasonable response to countries that break international law.
http://www.cjpme.org/pr_2017_03_03
 

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As usual Canada stands on the sidelines rather than taking a principled position on either side. Harper would not have abstained. In always trying to be the "honest broker" it has become neutered.
Harper would be too busy kissing US butt
 

nottyboi

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That was from memory, I'll correct it and give you the real numbers and source.
66% of Canadians support sanctions against Israel.
78% support boycotts (that was my error, though that was the 80% that I referred to).
91% think that sanctions are a reasonable response to countries that break international law.
http://www.cjpme.org/pr_2017_03_03

I 100% boycott Israeli products. Will not spend a dime with that country until they make a fair peace with the Palis
 

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I 100% boycott Israeli products. Will not spend a dime with that country until they make a fair peace with the Palis
And just how do you propose to have that happen.

Declaring that Israel must be destroyed,... is not a very good way to make peace.
 

toguy5252

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I 100% boycott Israeli products. Will not spend a dime with that country until they make a fair peace with the Palis
So I assume that you will not be buying computers or cellphones or most electronics. Right?
 

Frankfooter

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And just how do you propose to have that happen.

Declaring that Israel must be destroyed,... is not a very good way to make peace.
That's a bit extreme, FAST.
You should try sticking to the facts, and not trying straw man arguments.
 

basketcase

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That's a bit extreme, FAST.
You should try sticking to the facts, and not trying straw man arguments.
Why is it you claim Hamas is always telling the truth - except when they declare that they want to destroy Israel?

But no surprise since you consider all of Israel to be occupied.
 
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