US cops are plain thugs

Keep cop blaming. Did you miss the part where they were asked to leave and refused...and then when the cops showed up they refused to cooperate with the police... The officer pulled his gone while trying to deal with one person when two others began to approach, he feared for his safety and drew his sidearm, the other two cops came over to help, he holstered and continued his job, I don't see that as an issue.
 
Seriously. Wtf is going on with cops in the U.S.?

Just that they're getting video taped and it's turning out that people (and in particular blacks) weren't lying or making up stories about getting brutalized by these neanderthals.
 
Keep cop blaming. Did you miss the part where they were asked to leave and refused...and then when the cops showed up they refused to cooperate with the police... The officer pulled his gone while trying to deal with one person when two others began to approach, he feared for his safety and drew his sidearm, the other two cops came over to help, he holstered and continued his job, I don't see that as an issue.

Right. Feared for his safety. In an upper class neighborhood, he was going to be hurt by a bikini wearing teenager.
 
As a whole, cops do a good job. There's only a small number of overly aggressive and rogue cops.

But what I don't like is the whole buddy-buddy system.

It usually goes like this..... cop goes nuts and is obviously aggressive or shoots people for no reason. And you hear zero about fellow cops denouncing it and trying to get rid of him. The station captain goes on TV and puts up a brave face, and the union tries to protect him as much as possible.

In normal businesses, employees conducting awful behaviour, illegal activity and physically harming other people are fired for misconduct. Even people who say stupid things on twitter or on tv (like that Hydro One guy) will get grilled and canned for poor judgement and activity. Fellow employees would want the guy kicked out.

But some reason when it comes to policing, there sure seems like a lot of latitude and protection. Fellow cops don't seem to care. The cop's supervisor/chief goes into PR mode and there's a heck of a lot of cloak and dagger sometimes even finding out who the cop is.... until someone or the media do some digging and find out their identity.
 
Right. Feared for his safety. In an upper class neighborhood, he was going to be hurt by a bikini wearing teenager.

I didn't say he feared her, learn how to comprehend English. As he was trying to get her to the ground, he was approached by two males...that was when he drew his gun and when the threat was dealt with, by the other two officers, he holstered it. Just because someone is unarmed does not make them not a threat. I also enjoy people saying he was irate etc, he was telling people who were being detained to stay where they were and they kept trying to get away....I guess when that happens he should just say fuck it and just let them all go next time.
 
At this point, these cops display attitude, physicality and aggression no less than US soldiers would in Sunni parts of Iraq.

They feel they need to come in, dominate the neighborhood and control and eliminate any non-compliance, which is "a threat" to be met with maximum amount of force.
 
I didn't say he feared her, learn how to comprehend English. As he was trying to get her to the ground, he was approached by two males...that was when he drew his gun and when the threat was dealt with, by the other two officers, he holstered it. Just because someone is unarmed does not make them not a threat. I also enjoy people saying he was irate etc, he was telling people who were being detained to stay where they were and they kept trying to get away....I guess when that happens he should just say fuck it and just let them all go next time.

Dude. He was with teenagers who he's freaking out with his aggresion, not with career criminals in a prison yard. What was he trying to do - have them line up, frisk them and cuff them? People are SCREAMING in the video - learn how to comprehend reality.
 
At this point, these cops display attitude, physicality and aggression no less than US soldiers would in Sunni parts of Iraq.

They feel they need to come in, dominate the neighborhood and control and eliminate any non-compliance, which is "a threat" to be met with maximum amount of force.

What's even weirder is that they adhere to some kind of "band of brothers" attitude. There can be a group of 2 or 4 cops. If just one guy in the group is acting overboard, have you ever read or seen footage of the other guys holding him back or trying to make sure he calms down? I never have.

If anything, if one guy acts extreme, the other guys do nothing and let that guy dominate or they join in and act as an overly aggressive group which makes it worse.

In normal courses of business, if one employee is acting out of hand (and it does happen), I've never seen fellow employees join in and cause trouble. If anything, if it gets out of hand fellow employees would come by and try to calm the situation down. And for the person who is wrong and acting way of of character (especially if he/she is physically hitting another employee), that is frowned upon. Nobody likes it, nobody wants to work with that person and unless there is a good reason why the person had to lash out (defending themselves?), that person will be fired with cause.

Yet in policing, it some reason doesn't work that way.

In policing, the cops sure seem to get a lot of latitude to fuck around and act like asses until it gets to a point of being fired. it sure seems to take a lot.
 
Learn how to understand that you saw a snippet of a video and not the whole incident. Hence listening and reading the article that states the police were called to deal with a group of people (kids or not) and when they tried to deal with said group, the group refused to cooperate. If you're that cop, trying to get a large group of people to listen to you, to stay where they are supposed to and instead they all keep trying to get away, what do you think you would do?
 
What's even weirder is that they adhere to some kind of "band of brothers" attitude. There can be a group of 2 or 4 cops. If just one guy in the group is acting overboard, have you ever read or seen footage of the other guys holding him back or trying to make sure he calms down? I never have.

If anything, if one guy acts extreme, the other guys do nothing and let that guy dominate or they join in and act as an overly aggressive group which makes it worse.

In normal courses of business, if one employee is acting out of hand (and it does happen), I've never seen fellow employees join in and cause trouble. If anything, if it gets out of hand fellow employees would come by and try to calm the situation down. And for the person who is wrong and acting way of of character (especially if he/she is physically hitting another employee), that is frowned upon. Nobody likes it, nobody wants to work with that person and unless there is a good reason why the person had to lash out (defending themselves?), that person will be fired with cause.

Yet in policing, it some reason doesn't work that way.

Yes, because the police are usually trying to arrest someone for breaking the law and that person doesn't agree and fights back. The other police officers jobs are to assist their fellow officer in affecting that arrest.
 
Yes, because the police are usually trying to arrest someone for breaking the law and that person doesn't agree and fights back. The other police officers jobs are to assist their fellow officer in affecting that arrest.

I'm not talking about crooks fighting back where cops have cause to take him down with aggression.

I'm talking about cops acting like jerks and being aggressive without a good reason to.
 
Learn how to understand that you saw a snippet of a video and not the whole incident. Hence listening and reading the article that states the police were called to deal with a group of people (kids or not) and when they tried to deal with said group, the group refused to cooperate. If you're that cop, trying to get a large group of people to listen to you, to stay where they are supposed to and instead they all keep trying to get away, what do you think you would do?

I'd be like the other cops - stay away from this train-wreck of a guy and only approach him to make sure he doesn't shoot anyone on camera. Which is all they did in the entire video. Being brothers in blue, they couldn't restrain him but they had to step in to have him holster his drawn service revolver.
 
Keep cop blaming. Did you miss the part where they were asked to leave and refused...and then when the cops showed up they refused to cooperate with the police... The officer pulled his gone while trying to deal with one person when two others began to approach, he feared for his safety and drew his sidearm, the other two cops came over to help, he holstered and continued his job, I don't see that as an issue.

Reports are that the cops were called because some white folks complained that black folks were using the public pool.
No wonder he feared for his safety.

A group of teens were at the pool for an end-of-school party, Miles Jai Thomas, one of the teens who attended, told HuffPost. Then a security guard showed up and put out all the black teenagers, Thomas said.

“He started making up rules to keep us out," he said.

Before officers arrived on the scene, a white woman had started making racist comments, telling black partygoers to get used to the bars outside the pool because that’s all they were going to see. When one of the white teens at the party talked back to the adult, the woman began cursing and yelling at her as well, Thomas said.

Teens at the pool party told BuzzFeed News the police were called after a fight broke out. Some adults made racist comments and told the teens to return to “Section 8 [public] housing,” BuzzFeed reported.

“I think a bunch of white parents were angry that a bunch of black kids who don’t live in the neighborhood were in the pool,” Brooks said.

In the video, some partygoers are seen sitting in the grass and pleading "sir, we just came here for a birthday party, please." Another officer is heard thanking a group of teens for returning a flashlight the officer dropped.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/07/mckinney-police-pool-party_n_7530164.html
 
Seriously, I had a hard time believing he wrote that.

Actually, in his defense, that's the standard US police statement when confronted by video: "I feared for my life".

What I'd really and truly like to understand: how much of their training material calls for de-escalation? From all accounts, these cops take the position of maximum aggression and intimidation akin to soldiers operating behind enemy lines. Check these videos:


Some white people called the cops on a "skinny" dark skinned guy and the cops showed up and one of these public servants put the 57 year old senior citizen in hospital, paralyzed. The cop was criminally charged though but the Police Department initially claimed that the senior citizen "was reaching into his pocket" ( also known as creating false justification for "cops' life in danger").
 
It amazes me that people can't seem to fathom that the police are trying to do their job. If I am a cop dealing with a large crowd, trying to either detain or arrest someone and a couple people approach me, I'd rather assume the worst, draw my weapon and be prepared to defend myself then to simple assume they are just there to help. As I said, when other officers came in to help, he holstered his sidearm, and proceeded to continue what he was doing.

There are two sides to every story, the kids are playing the race card and it may have been the case but they could also be lying to make themselves look better. From what I have read so far, they were asked to leave, refused, the cops were called to deal with that. Also in someones link up there it also says a fight had broken out... Not all cops are good cops, but remember they are there to do a job that most people won't do and when they do it, everybody seems to think they do it wrong.
 
It amazes me that people can't seem to fathom that the police are trying to do their job. If I am a cop dealing with a large crowd, trying to either detain or arrest someone and a couple people approach me, I'd rather assume the worst, draw my weapon and be prepared to defend myself then to simple assume they are just there to help. As I said, when other officers came in to help, he holstered his sidearm, and proceeded to continue what he was doing.

There are two sides to every story, the kids are playing the race card and it may have been the case but they could also be lying to make themselves look better. From what I have read so far, they were asked to leave, refused, the cops were called to deal with that. Also in someones link up there it also says a fight had broken out... Not all cops are good cops, but remember they are there to do a job that most people won't do and when they do it, everybody seems to think they do it wrong.


It may not have been a public pool, though the kids may not have known that and may have thought they were invited.
The fight, according to the two reports I saw, was between a white woman yelling racist taunts at the kids and her own kid, who was offended.
That's the 'disturbance' the cops were called about.
Note on the video that all the white folk were totally left alone while everyone of colour was told to sit down.
It doesn't look good, if that's what really happened.
 
Funny how an argument breaks out after a brave white kid excoriates a white adult female for making racist comments and it results in a group of black teens, including a small girl, being under arrest.