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United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in Manhattan

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The majority of bankruptcies in America are medical, corporate welfare is a beautiful thing. Now that the cork is out of the bottle...

 
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What sort of incompetent fucker uses a piece that jams?!?!?!?
Pure speculation, but it could well be intentional, if his goal was to reduce Db as much as possible.
He looked like he knew the handgun had to be manually cycled. Technically it's not a jam, the combination of the extra weight on the barrel from the suppressor and the low pressure of a subsonic round won't allow the gun to cycle on it's own.
 
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Pure speculation, but it could well be intentional, if his goal was to reduce Db as much as possible.
He looked like he knew the handgun had to be manually cycled. Technically it's not a jam, the combination of the extra weight on the barrel from the suppressor and the low pressure of a subsonic round won't allow the gun to cycle on it's own.
Thanks! Someone with some technical insight!

Why wouldn't the killer use a heavier piece that would have taken down the target with the first round? Again sound reduction?
 
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security guards and drivers said there was a guy who waited all day for him.
I'm obviously no expert, but I would think this rules out a professional hit. Someone who knows what they're doing and is trained in gathering intel and doing surveillance on a mark wouldn't make their presence known like that.
 

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Multiple factors, most likely wasn't using a Nielsen Device with the suppressor and used subsonic rounds, that combination won't allow for proper cycling of a small caliber handgun.
 
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I'm obviously no expert, but I would think this rules out a professional hit. Someone who knows what they're doing and is trained in gathering intel and doing surveillance on a mark wouldn't make their presence known like that.
Unless he flew in from far away for just 1 job and fucked off right afterwards and it didn't matter who noticed him??
 
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Thanks! Someone with some technical insight!

Why wouldn't the killer use a heavier piece that would have taken down the target with the first round? Again sound reduction?
With good shot placement, at that range, even a .22LR would do the job.
Sound reduction for sure, and I would assume avoiding over penetration. You wouldn't want to shatter the glass windows of building or hit bystanders if it was a professional target hit.
Avoiding over penetration is why police departments switched from ball ammunition to hollow-point.
 
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With good shot placement, at that range, even a .22LR would do the job.
Sound reduction for sure, and I would assume avoiding over penetration. You wouldn't want to shatter the glass windows of building or hit bystanders if it was a professional target hit.
Avoiding over penetration is why police departments switched from ball ammunition to hollow-point.
Thanks.

If I ever want to assassinate another TERB member, I will definitely hire you for your skills!! 😺
 

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With good shot placement, at that range, even a .22LR would do the job.
Sound reduction for sure, and I would assume avoiding over penetration. You wouldn't want to shatter the glass windows of building or hit bystanders if it was a professional target hit.
Avoiding over penetration is why police departments switched from ball ammunition to hollow-point.
Hinckley used .22 "devastators" which sort of explode like a hollow point to do maximum damage.
 

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Definitely a targeted hit. Could be many motives at play here. Care to speculate?
I'd say person trained and watched a loved one die due to being fucked by this company. Betteing a parent, child or spouse. The stories I've seen are unbelievable.

This is a situation where people are reaching for the guillotine because the US govt hasn't left them another option. I have zero sympathy here.
 
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I'm not so sure. Judging from the horror stories I've been seeing from people put through hell by this company I'd say sociopathic is a great description of this fuck.
Not saying this guy was a psychopath, but CEO is definitely one of the jobs psychopaths tends to drift towards.

I remember Dr Robert Hare, a Vancouver-based psychologist who's pretty much "the" worldwide expert on psychopathy, saying he used to do seminars for large corporations to teach them how to identify what he calls "industrial psychopaths" from getting into their organizations -- because they're ruthless, self-centred and will ruin people's lives just to make money.

What was scary, he said, was he was being approached by people asking not how to get rid of these people but rather how they could attract psychopaths to their companies.
 
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Not saying this guy was a psychopath, but CEO is definitely one of the jobs psychopaths tends to drift towards.

I remember Dr Robert Hare, a Vancouver-based psychologist who's pretty much "the" worldwide expert on psychopathy, saying he used to do seminars for large corporations to teach them how to identify what he calls "industrial psychopaths" from getting into their organizations -- because they're ruthless, self-centred and will ruin people's lives just to make money.

What was scary, he said, was he was being approached by people asking not how to get rid of these people but rather how they could attract psychopaths to their companies.
A 32% denial rating is a top down decision. Pay someone 50 grand to deny, deny deny, wait and see how many give up, pays for itself. John Grisholm did a novel on this very concept.

You don't do that without being a sociopath.
 
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