Unfair treatment at work... Pls help!

[Moraff]

Geez, guys! Like I said earlier, they didn't hold the job for me. They called me back because 3 full timers took a vacation.

Okay, even though you arranged for 2 months off and were upset that they didn't have you on the schedule when your returned and you didn't have to reapply for the position I'll agree to say that they didn't hold your job.

Since you were starting in a new job they have no obligation to give you the perks of your old job. Yes they should have told you what the breakdown of the tipping would be in your new job, but like I said perhaps that got changed just after you left for vacation and they forgot that it had changed after you left (ie they thought you already knew) Are you saying you wouldn't have come back had you known that your tip perk was going to be reduced? If so, then quit, end of story.

 

[Moraff]

O btw, I was angry because my tips were lower without me knowing. That is what this post is all about. No one really say anything about that.

Forgive us, your OP seemed to put more emphasis on your work hours than on your tip amount changing.

Go back and reread post #11, I referred to your tip issue twice:

You were gone 2 months. When did they change the percentage? If it was soon after you had departed chances are they just forgot to let you know it had changed.
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I don't think there's much point in complaining to ESA. Far as I know there's no requirement to spread tip money out among the staff, so the fact that you get any should be considered a bonus.

 

[tboy]

Happens all the time Tiny Boy ... Part time today has more to do with the difference between fix hours or benefits ... and from what I read he's complaining that he's getting less tips then others for a shift worked. Try not to go off on a tangent that doesn't exist.


bbk

Bare Back King: He specifically said:

you start at 4 then you leave at 8. The tips after 8 still goes to every server

So that says he gets tips on work he never did and he's complaining about it. As stated by others on here: full time workers reap the benefits of being full time and part time workers are the bottom feeders.

Okay, even though you arranged for 2 months off and were upset that they didn't have you on the schedule when your returned and you didn't have to reapply for the position I'll agree to say that they didn't hold your job.

Unless he received his separation papers, they held is job for him (whether you agree or not).

OP: did you receive separation papers when you took your 2 month vacation? The one that stated how long you worked for them, what they paid you, etc?

 

[hornykid]

yo papasmerf, thx for your advice. But it is really hard to find one unless you know somebody inside.

you want fair?

hire on as a bus boy in a high end resturant and work your way up.

 

[tboy]

yo papasmerf, thx for your advice. But it is really hard to find one unless you know somebody inside.

LOL Life is hard, get used to it!

Yeah, you have it so rough. 2 month vacation....poor you!

 

[hornykid]

Hey tboy, thx for re-reading my post. If on a busy day, the buffet makes part timers work longer hours and full timers work less. Don't ask me why. Part timers get lower tips than full timers. So basically, on Friday and Saturday night, while full timers leave between 8 - 9. Part timers have to stay till 10-11 to clean up everything.

OK, I'll be the first to ask:

How does a "full time" employee work LESS hours than a part time employee?
So, let me get this straight, even after you LEAVE your shift and stop working, you STILL get a share of the tips collected even when you're no longer working? And you're COMPLAINING about that? LOL.

So you're complaining about not getting more tips for work you never actually did....

OH man.......

As for Bare Back King, I read his post and since he never had to re-apply for his job, they kept it open for him. EOS. No ifs ands or buts. Coupled with the fact that he didn't receive his separation papers..........

 

[Moraff]

Happens all the time Tiny Boy ... Part time today has more to do with the difference between fix hours or benefits ... and from what I read he's complaining that he's getting less tips then others for a shift worked. Try not to go off on a tangent that doesn't exist.


bbk

He's in a different job class than the other workers (him PT, them FT) so it is not unlikely that the tip payout would be at different rates.

hornykid: What's the difference between your job and theirs- hours worked, responsibilities, benefits? Just because they aren't doing all the grunt work that you are doing doesn't mean they're not doing their jobs.

For example, my job is to keep my machine putting out product. The company makes the most money when I do the least amount of physical work (because if I'm working that means the machine ain't <grin>). The material xxxxxxx (entry level job) conversely has to work the hardest when the machine is producing. So to them it looks like I get paid to stand around and do nothing while they sweat their butts off.

 

[Moraff]

Hey tboy, thx for re-reading my post. If on a busy day, the buffet makes part timers work longer hours and full timers work less. Don't ask me why. Part timers get lower tips than full timers. So basically, on Friday and Saturday night, while full timers leave between 8 - 9. Part timers have to stay till 10-11 to clean up everything.

But how many hours do they work each week?

Just because they leave earlier than you doesn't mean anything. The part time job entails staying til 10-11. Full time job ends at 8-9. That's a perk for working for the company full-time.

Like I said before.... part-timers are the bottom of the food chain.

 

[james t kirk]

I mean no offence, but as a business owner if a part time employee of mine decided to take a 2 month vacation it would have been the end of employment.

Exactly.

The sense of entitlement of kids today amazes me. (Am I sounding like an old coote yet?)

Seriously, however, we had a High School kid working with us last summer and I've never seen a bigger dog fucker in my life. His old man works at the office and is totally old school - you work, you work hard, you get paid. His kid actively avoids work and even when you dump it on him he finds reason to avoid it.

 

[hornykid]

We do exactly the same thing. Nothing different.

He's in a different job class than the other workers (him PT, them FT) so it is not unlikely that the tip payout would be at different rates.

hornykid: What's the difference between your job and theirs- hours worked, responsibilities, benefits? Just because they aren't doing all the grunt work that you are doing doesn't mean they're not doing their jobs.

For example, my job is to keep my machine putting out product. The company makes the most money when I do the least amount of physical work (because if I'm working that means the machine ain't <grin>). The material xxxxxxx (entry level job) conversely has to work the hardest when the machine is producing. So to them it looks like I get paid to stand around and do nothing while they sweat their butts off.

 

[hornykid]

You are right, Moraff. Part timers are bottom of the food chain. We get tossed around.

But how many hours do they work each week?

Just because they leave earlier than you doesn't mean anything. The part time job entails staying til 10-11. Full time job ends at 8-9. That's a perk for working for the company full-time.

Like I said before.... part-timers are the bottom of the food chain.

 

[tboy]

We do exactly the same thing. Nothing different.

So if you do the exact same job, what did you mean by:

I had to clean up at the end of the shift but our tips are all shared together.

SO you insinuated that you had to clean up and they didn't, then 2 pages later you say you both do the exact same thing.

What is it, they do the exact same thing or you have to clean up and they don't?

Here's a piece of advice:

If you want to be respected and treated well by your employer:
1) Don't take 2 month vacations
2) work as hard as you can and do the little extras without bitching about it
3) make yourself look good by getting noticed in a positive way by your employer
4) don't ever be late or ask to leave early
5) be clean, neat, and have a positive disposition at all times.

Do that and unless he's an idiot, he'll give you more shifts, and eventually (in a perfect world) put you on full time so you can dump on the part timers.

 

[james t kirk]

yo papasmerf, thx for your advice. But it is really hard to find one unless you know somebody inside.

Welcome to the real world kid.

No-one over the age of 30 who works and pays taxes is going to have too much sympathy for anyone who takes 2 months vacation and then expects to come back as if nothing ever happened.

This is Canada, not France or Germany.

Rule of thumb here is, students and part timers get NO vacation. You want vacation, take the rest of the year off while you're at it.

Tell me something, how does a part timer (most likely a student) working at a Chinese Buffet AFFORD to go on vacation for 2 months?

Mummy and Daddie paying the ticket?

 

[Moraff]

We do exactly the same thing. Nothing different.

So why are they called "full-time" and you are "part-time"?

 

[Moraff]

Here's a piece of advice:

If you want to be respected and treated well by your employer:
1) Don't take 2 month vacations
2) work as hard as you can and do the little extras without bitching about it
3) make yourself look good by getting noticed in a positive way by your employer
4) don't ever be late or ask to leave early
5) be clean, neat, and have a positive disposition at all times.

Do that and unless he's an idiot, he'll give you more shifts, and eventually (in a perfect world) put you on full time so you can dump on the part timers.

Definitely good advice to work by.

 

[tboy]

Definitely good advice to work by.

LOL yeah, I come out with a good one every once in a while lol....

 

[hornykid]

Cuz I already have a full time job.

So why are they called "full-time" and you are "part-time"?

 

[hornykid]

I guess you assume all chinese people use their parents money, right? The 2 months I was off, because I had to go back to host my own wedding. Part timers can have full time jobs too, right?

Welcome to the real world kid.

No-one over the age of 30 who works and pays taxes is going to have too much sympathy for anyone who takes 2 months vacation and then expects to come back as if nothing ever happened.

This is Canada, not France or Germany.

Rule of thumb here is, students and part timers get NO vacation. You want vacation, take the rest of the year off while you're at it.

Tell me something, how does a part timer (most likely a student) working at a Chinese Buffet AFFORD to go on vacation for 2 months?

Mummy and Daddie paying the ticket?

 

[hornykid]

james, you never heard of savings?

Welcome to the real world kid.

No-one over the age of 30 who works and pays taxes is going to have too much sympathy for anyone who takes 2 months vacation and then expects to come back as if nothing ever happened.

This is Canada, not France or Germany.

Rule of thumb here is, students and part timers get NO vacation. You want vacation, take the rest of the year off while you're at it.

Tell me something, how does a part timer (most likely a student) working at a Chinese Buffet AFFORD to go on vacation for 2 months?

Mummy and Daddie paying the ticket?

 

[Moraff]

I guess you assume all chinese people use their parents money, right?

Didn't know you were Chinese until now. It's irrelevant to the situation.

The 2 months I was off, because I had to go back to host my own wedding.

Then why did you call it a vacation in your OP?

Part timers can have full time jobs too, right?

The fact that you may be working somewhere else has absolutely no relevance to the discussion at hand. You are not called "part-time" at your buffet job because you have another job. You are called "part-time" because you don't do the same job as the "full-time" employees.

Still you should give thanks that you have 2 employers that were willing to give you 2 months off to get married.