Undermining American Democracy

[shack]

ROFL!! The impeachment talk started in April 2016 before he even won the nomination!!!

Even though it would have been a brilliant proactive move, I don't think you can impeach a private citizen.

Once again, though, what does this have to do with Moore and undermining US democracy. You really have a problem with staying on topic when you have a position that you cannot defend.

 

[oldjones]

Be fair, now. Hillary and most of her followers never accepted her loss either. They still babble on about Russia and the popular vote. Even on a whoring board like this one.

Since you're so in the dark about American politics, this is a link to the full text of Hillary's concession speech November 9, 2016.

As for that other stuff:

The popular vote is objectively established fact. Trump lost it decisively to Hillary, and was rejected by even more voters if we add in voters who preferred to waste their votes on fringe losers than support either of those two.

We have as much evidence about Russians, or who might have done what behind the scenes as Roy Moore has for his god. You and he are welcome to believe what you want on either issue. At least until Mueller reports his findings and the evidence for them, which will cover the one topic that matters in the real world.

But since your fond of fairytales, I hope you got through another Christmas without any meanies telling you about Santa.

 

[jcpro]

Even though it would have been a brilliant proactive move, I don't think you can impeach a private citizen.

Once again, though, what does this have to do with Moore and undermining US democracy. You really have a problem with staying on topic when you have a position that you cannot defend.

It doesn't have anything to do with anything. Moore doesn't have a case. He never had. To say that his lawsuit has any effect on the democratic process is the usual hyperbole grounded in dreams.

 

[jcpro]

Since you're so in the dark about American politics, this is a link to the full text of Hillary's concession speech November 9, 2016.

As for that other stuff:

The popular vote is objectively established fact. Trump lost it decisively to Hillary, and was rejected by even more voters if we add in voters who preferred to waste their votes on fringe losers than support either of those two.

We have as much evidence about Russians, or who might have done what behind the scenes as Roy Moore has for his god. You and he are welcome to believe what you want on either issue. At least until Mueller reports his findings and the evidence for them, which will cover the one topic that matters in the real world.

But since your fond of fairytales, I hope you got through another Christmas without any meanies telling you about Santa.

The popular vote is also of no consequence in the American Republic. How thick is your cranial plate to fail to grasp that concept? However, it is a reason to delegitimize Trump's victory- used often. As for Russia, instead of speculating I've been closely following Comey's and McCabe's testimonies. Nothing there, yet.

 

[Frankfooter]

The popular vote is also of no consequence in the American Republic..

Guess its not really a democracy then, is it?

Trump really does love the despots, doesn't he?

 

[Aardvark154]

Really don't believe Insidious Von that the law suit (now dismissed) has undermined American Democracy, that doesn't change the fact that it was stupid and he is a poor looser.

 

[shack]

Really don't believe Insidious Von that the law suit (now dismissed) has undermined American Democracy,

Obviously not but it was an attempt by a GOPer. Same as Trump admitted he would have done had he lost. Both Repugs. Hmmmm. Coincidence?

 

[oldjones]

The popular vote is also of no consequence in the American Republic. How thick is your cranial plate to fail to grasp that concept? However, it is a reason to delegitimize Trump's victory- used often. As for Russia, instead of speculating I've been closely following Comey's and McCabe's testimonies. Nothing there, yet.

Clearly you don't grasp that Hillary did concede, that Trump was not the people's choice — determining that is why the Constitution requires a popular vote — and that most if not all of the 'Russia' babbling comes from Trumpians, apparently afraid of what might be revealed, and bleating non-stop how it will be of no consequence anyway, 'cause he's still the PotUS. If all that is of no consequence why don't they shut up about it? Aren't there Great Achievements they should be touting?

Tell ya what, if you don't want to hear these truths, stop mis-stating them, and getting put right. Then threads like this will mercifully die out. Did you look up the concession speech you said Hillary didn't give yet?

 

[jcpro]

Clearly you don't grasp that Hillary did concede, that Trump was not the people's choice — which is why the Constitution mandates the popular vote — and that most if not all of the 'Russia' babbling comes from Trumpians, apparently afraid of what might be revealed, and bleating non-stop how it will be of no consequence anyway, 'cause he's the PotUS. If all that is of no consequence why don't they shut up about it and go onto his Great Achievements?

Tell ya what, if you don't want to hear these truths, stop mis-stating them, and getting put right. Then threads like this will mercifully die out. Did ya look up the concession speech you said Hillary didn't give yet?

Where did I say that HRC never conceded? I said she never ACCEPTED the outcome. As for Russia- you need to start paying attention. The printed and digital media have spoken of almost nothing else for the past year. That was their ticket to get rid of Trump. They'll be trying to unhitch themselves from that wagon, soon. Some have already began the process.

 

[IM469]

As for Russia, instead of speculating I've been closely following Comey's and McCabe's testimonies. Nothing there, yet.

'Nothing there, yet' ?????

Let's be realistic - if you have no clue that Russians were involved in the US elections from: Trump JR e-mails stating Russian involvement and support for Trump , testimony with sample ads from social media executives admitting to Russian political ad purchases, statements from intelligence agencies before the election and after .... you are as effective following facts as a blind man reading a map. If Putin fucked you in your ass - I'm guessing you wouldn't feel a thing.

Just curious ... did you serve on the OJ Simpson jury ???

 

[shack]

As for Russia- you need to start paying attention. The printed and digital media have spoken of almost nothing else for the past year.

There is a very simple reason for that and it has nothing to do with a hate for Trump (well maybe a bit) and nothing to do with denying his win.

It is because more and more and more new information keeps coming out. That is what is fuelling the ongoing questions of what happened. What makes it more emphatic is how everyone denied meeting any Russians and as it turns out more and more of them have been proved to be liars (I don't recall or I forgot or I didn't know I had to include that).

If they had been totally forthcoming at the beginning and not had their lies exposed in a drip, drip, drip and there actually was no collusion, it would have been over a long time ago.

It is Trump and his team and their approach is why the media has been paying so much attention to the issue.

 

[onthebottom]

Remember that crazy bitch ripping off desperate liberals with those bullshit recounts?

 

[toguy5252]

'Nothing there, yet' ?????

Let's be realistic - if you have no clue that Russians were involved in the US elections from: Trump JR e-mails stating Russian involvement and support for Trump , testimony with sample ads from social media executives admitting to Russian political ad purchases, statements from intelligence agencies before the election and after .... you are as effective following facts as a blind man reading a map. If Putin fucked you in your ass - I'm guessing you wouldn't feel a thing.

Just curious ... did you serve on the OJ Simpson jury ???

There is absolutely no doubt that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. There may or not be evidence that the level of collusion has risen to the point of being criminal and it may well ultimately fall short. But as the question was there collusion the public evidence available to date make that absolutely indisputable.

 

[jcpro]

There is absolutely no doubt that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. There may or not be evidence that the level of collusion has risen to the point of being criminal and it may well ultimately fall short. But as the question was there collusion the public evidence available to date make that absolutely indisputable.

Actually, there's zero evidence thus far. On the other hand we do know as fact that the DNC (meaning Clinton) paid for the Dossier obtained, through a British former agent, from the Russians. So,who was colluding to win an election?

 

[Frankfooter]

Actually, there's zero evidence thus far. On the other hand we do know as fact that the DNC (meaning Clinton) paid for the Dossier obtained, through a British former agent, from the Russians. So,who was colluding to win an election?

That's so true.
After all, Trump denied there was collusion 16 times during his NYT interview.

(ok, asside from Papapolous' sworn statement to the FBI, Trump's call for Russia to hack Clinton, ....I'd go on, but we'll hear more soon enough from Mueller)

 

[Insidious Von]

I had to delete the pic of the executed pucurone (Benito Mussolini), with a new year around the corner, it was inappropriate.

I don't really believe that Trump colluded with the Russians, even though he's fond of Putin, if he did he's in the same boat as Nixon. They didn't need help to win the election and got done in by their own insecurity. The bigger worry is him not willing to denounce Neo-Nazis after the Charlottesville killing. Did Steve Bannon tell to say it or did he go off on his own?

When politics goes to extremes, America is on that road, people suffer. It can lead to The Final Solution or the Khamer Rouge's Agrarian Revolution, or to nasty incidences like Salo. Either way people die and the nation state is left decrepit. That is why Steve Bannon has to be opposed at every turn. Unopposed, he will turn the GOP into a neo-fascist party. Democracy is tough but it offers rights and protections that no other political system can afford. It also stops a despot from looting the country's treasure. If Steve bannon has his way, the USA will fall.

The sleep of reason brings forth monsters - Francisco Goya.

http://www.artmuseums.com/thirdofmay.jpg

 

[Frankfooter]

I had to delete the pic of the executed pucurone (Benito Mussolini), with a new year around the corner, it was inappropriate.

I don't really believe that Trump colluded with the Russians, even though he's fond of Putin, if he did he's in the same boat as Nixon. They didn't need help to win the election and got done in by their own insecurity. The bigger worry is him not willing to denounce Neo-Nazis after the Charlottesville killing. Did Steve Bannon tell to say it or did he go off on his own?

When politics goes to extremes, America is on that road, people suffer. It can lead to The Final Solution or the Khamer Rouge's Agrarian Revolution, or to nasty incidences like Salo. Either way people die and the nation state is left decrepit. That is why Steve Bannon has to be opposed at every turn. Unopposed, he will turn the GOP into a neo-fascist party. Democracy is tough but it offers rights and protections that no other political system can afford. It also stops a despot from looting the country's treasure. If Steve bannon has his way, the USA will fall.

The sleep of reason brings forth monsters - Francisco Goya.

http://www.artmuseums.com/thirdofmay.jpg

The latest story from the NYT about Papadopolous suggests that Trump may be liable for charges on conspiracy to break into the DNC, in violation of federal computer crime laws, in order to get Trump elected. That's the word from a former watergate lawyer.

Nick Ackerman, a former assistant special Watergate prosecutor, said Saturday that the "big enchilada" crime President Trump and his associates face in the Russia investigation is conspiracy, not collusion.

"I think the big enchilada here is the conspiracy to break into the Democratic National Committee in violation of the federal computer crime law and to use those emails to help Donald Trump get elected," Ackerman said on MSNBC. "All of that is motive as to why Donald Trump and others were endeavoring to obstruct the investigation, and why Donald Trump told [former FBI Director] James Comey to let the investigation on [former national security adviser Michael] Flynn go. All of this is going to come together in 2018."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/f...y-is-conspiracy-not-collusion/article/2644652

The full NYT story is here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/...eorge-papadopoulos.html?_r=0&mtrref=undefined

There are enough details listed there to make it look like its a chargeable offence. And with Papadopolous now a state witness there is likely much more, including access to his computer and its emails from the Trump team.

Trump's speech where he called on the Russians to release Clinton's emails is really going to hurt him.