Ukraine insists that isn't an entire battalion of neo-nazis.
Just like the US insists that some of its battalions are not entirely neo-nazis.
Ukraine updates
- Thread starter mandrill
- Start date
- Status
Ukraine insists that isn't an entire battalion of neo-nazis.
Just like the US insists that some of its battalions are not entirely neo-nazis.
What is your evidence that these things have been limited and have been investigated without much interference? Ukraine is a corrupt country that wont even publish its losses. Are they going to just let anyone "investigate without interference" on war crimes?
Truth is there is not a lot we know about either Ukrainian losses or their war crimes. This one probably leaked.
You don't think we are going to hear about interference on war crime investigation?
I quite agree there are probably more incidents that deserve investigation that haven't come out yet.
That's the nature of war.
When you are in a close quarters combat for an extended time, shooting pows becomes almost automatic, unless they're of high value like officers. From what I've seen on many media, this is a routine in that conflict on both sides.
OK.
Seriously, do you even look at what you write?
You literally just said that Ukraine had to surrender, you knob.
No.
It really is that you are married to a world view and can't escape your ideological blinders.
Look at people like the Quincy Institute - you can see the same problem.
The fact is that the US and NATO have been bad actors on a global scale repeatedly.
That this doesn't mean you can blame them for everything seems to have short circuited your brain.
Hollywood?
Dear god, I wouldn't even accuse you of "Hollywood" level of understanding.
That's more like mitchell or Addict2Sex with his insistence that everything end with dramatic reveals and executions.
I am not saying Ukraine had to surrender you dimwit. I am saying that just like you are proposing the impractical scenario that Russia just admit defeat and withdraw, it is as impractical to say that Ukraine just lay down their arms and surrender. Both would mean that the war comes to an immediate end. Both wont happen. Do you not know how to read between the lines? Or does your reading between the lines only extend to dishonestly spinning and misinterpreting someone's words ? In fact you deliberately ignored my next two lines:
None of those options where one side just "gives up" is possible now. A compromise through dialogue where both come out "looking good" is the only way this will end.
Have some integrity when you debate.
I am not blaming US and NATO for eeeeeeverything. I am blaming them for THIS war. And the other invasions, regime changes and misadventures they have engaged in and participated in worldwide.
No if the interference is from Ukraine we wont. Such is the nature of wartime propaganda. Tell me ONE mainstream media outlet that talks about Ukrainian losses. Surely they have suffered losses. Where are the numbers? Not ONE of them will say anything except for saying shit like "Russia is suffering 7 times more.."? Really? If you couldn't even speak to Ukraine's numbers how did you know how much Russia's losses were? Its all nonsense.
Of course Ukraine "insists". We should immediately believe them because we are supposed to be on their side.
What they accomplished with Georgia. To prevent NATO expansion. The Georgian war was under the same types of pretexts that they were trying to protect the Russian speaking population of South Ossetia and what not. It came immediately after NATO welcoming Georgia and Ukraine's bid as members. And now Georgia is still not a NATO member.
This was is to show that Russia wont just saber rattle but will act and prevent NATO expansion.
You could counter this however and say, well Sweden and Finland joined NATO or are in process. But I would say Sweden and Finland dont change much for Russia with or without NATO membership. Developed country privilege or whatever.
This Putin War was all about annexing the Donbas region like he did with Crimea. Moreover, he also wanted to install a puppet head of state in Ukraine. Otherwise, why was the initial invasion by the Russian troops in very close proximity to Kiev?
Sweden and Finland like the rest of the former Soviet Members have seen Putin's real true colours as he has no intention of stopping in Ukraine. Other former Soviet Nations were the next targets of his, and hence that is why those nations prefer the West and NATO to the Evil Putin!!
The Oracle
Pronouns: Who/Cares
This pretty much nails it on the head.......It will be a hard listen for the western military industrial complex fans on here though.
This war will be over soon........
I am fine with people showing moral support to Zelensky as the
good guy in the conflict. But for goodness sake don't cheer on for
continuation and escalation of the war. At this time a ceasefire
benefits Ukraine more than Russia. Post-war Ukraine will receive
aid to rebuild the country. Addition of Sweden and Finland to
NATO membership should fortify defense of the NATO eastern
front against renewed Russian invasion. If Zelensky is bent on
retaking lost territories Ukraine will still need to take the time
to strengthen its army with NATO's help first. A ceasefire at this
time even if temporary is imperative for world security.
good guy in the conflict. But for goodness sake don't cheer on for
continuation and escalation of the war. At this time a ceasefire
benefits Ukraine more than Russia. Post-war Ukraine will receive
aid to rebuild the country. Addition of Sweden and Finland to
NATO membership should fortify defense of the NATO eastern
front against renewed Russian invasion. If Zelensky is bent on
retaking lost territories Ukraine will still need to take the time
to strengthen its army with NATO's help first. A ceasefire at this
time even if temporary is imperative for world security.
Where do you get anyone here cheering the war on? It's about backing Ukraine as it is Ukraine's choice to not give in to a dictator. There is a difference.
Instead, the radical right has decided to allow Putin to land grab anything, any little parcel of land he desires because it fits going against anything the current government is doing. Politics at its worst.
I can rephrase cheering the war on to 'encouraging Ukraine to continue fighting
until lost territories including Crimea is retaken and Putin defeated' which I thought
is pretty much the same.
If that is the position taken by our leaders then so be it. So long
as our military personnel sent to train Ukraine soldiers remain in
the UK I am not going to protest.
I believe and I may be wrong, Crimea is being used as a strategy to get Putin in a serious way to the negotiation table. Losing Crimea would be a serious loss and a total embarrassment. Walking away and keeping Crimea and the West recognizing Crimea as part of Russia may be a win and an off-ramp out of his stupid decision to illegally invade a peaceful sovereign country. On the opposite end, Putin is fighting hard for a town called Bakmut because he wants a win so badly. Perhaps he sees Bakmut as his offramp.
Without the west/NATO supplying defensive weapons, Eukraine would be done so for your folks to keep harping on not supplying any aid, which is ridiculous.
I expect the west will continue supplying aid to Ukraine after
the hoped-for ceasefire. Defense and the armies of NATO members
will be upgraded and strengthened as well.
What populist rant would ever be complete without a few videos from Chomsky.
- Status
Similar threads
