Guess you are watching a lot of The Russia Today News (RT) Media to believe that myth.
They are using your exact talking points!!
Ukraine destroys 34% of Russia's bomber fleet in one day of surprise drone attacks.
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They are using your exact talking points!!
Some of the developments of the war that make
the pro-Ukraine crowd happy and excited:
i) Every blatant propaganda lie made by Putin caught
(like saying Ukraine is the invader or terrorist in the
war) that proves again who the bad guy is three year
after the war started.
ii) Every attempt of Trump to strike a peace deal fails
is great It shows how stupid he was when he made
the promise of ending the war in 24 hours.
iii) Success of counter attack like the drone attack
on Russian planes is great news because it is
to cost Russia big money not becaue it is to change
the course of the war which it won't.
iv) Putin failing to win decisively and Russia failing
to run over the entire Ukraine after 3 years. All the
more reason why Ukraine continue to deserve
out support.
To me it is more like cheering ahy political wins
scored in a proxy war than the sentiments of
cheering the good guy fighting off the bad
guy in a war of invasion. It is illogical to cheer
the good guy to prolong the war.
I abhor all wars. I seldom if ever cheer either side
of any war. I supported Chretien's decision not to
join Bush's coalition of the willing but I did not cheer
Iraq (though I never felt sorry for U.S. soldiers getting
killed during the occupation). I opposed the U.S. support
of Israel but I cheer neither Israel or Palestine in their
conflict. In fact I've avoided following Gaza news lately as
much as possible because it is too saddening. As such
I cheer neither Ukraine nor Russia. I want the war to end
tomorrow.
I do watch some of it, but when such allegations are met with deathly silence of by the western press rather then denials and condemnation, then you know they are likely true.
Ironically the "pro-Ukraine" crowd are cheering on the slaughter of a generation of Ukrainian men and the destruction of Ukraine. Is that a good trade for a few old Russian bombers? They only use 5-10 bombers on each raid and they have 130. 10 can launch probably over 100 cruise missiles.
It depends on what repercussions you can offer and if that will actually deter them. If the answer is NO, then best to negotiate terms.
Negotiate with Putin? Seriously!!
Putin wants to install a puppet regime in Ukraine against the will of the majority of Ukrainians!!
RT press is the mouthpiece of Putin. They dare not question anything that involving his escapades!!
The indiscriminate bombings of infrastructures and residential properties is never reported by RT. Even when Russia was initially bombing parts of the Donbas region, RT blamed Ukraine for it.
Say no more!!
The pro-Russia ones pin the blame on Zelenskyy, labelling him a "Nazi" and "Anti-semite" in the manner that he is co-ordinating with the Neo-Nazi factions in Donbas to try and stop Putin's "Special Military Mission". In reality we know that there were extremist factions from the Middle East who were in the forefront of the Russian Invasion of Ukraine!!
Only Trump's cult followers bought his future prophesy of ending the wars in 24 hours. But, but Trump promised to not start any foreign wars.
Except to deploy the armed forces against the Peaceful California demonstrators who were protesting against the illegal deportation of migrants whose residential status has been revoked on grounds of "Emergencies", and shockingly Parents separated from their children!!
Well all along it was "legal" for Russia to deploy its drones against residential buildings, power grids and other infrastructures all in the name of this Special Military Mission.
We have seen the retaliation striking even deeper into civilian areas, and once again RT News calling it a "successful retaliation"!!
Now it is dubbed a proxy war by "NATO and EU", when all along Iran, has supplied its advanced drones and other ammunitions that was involved in some of these critical strikes on Ukraine.. More recently China has sent in more highly advanced components that has advanced these ranges as well as camouflaging these drones from Ukraine radars. Secretly China had also been selling other weapons to Russia to aid their cause. Of course RT never mentions such facts. But which other Nation has supplied its troops to Ukraine? Russia are succeeding in their push thanks to actual ground troops openly gifted by North Korea. Are the pro-Russian cheerleaders on this Board giving them a pass for it?
Finally we agree on something. The Earth needs very honest politicians to work for each and every human on this earth, meaning a total end to all wars be it Military or Trade wars.
If we had that ideal situation, then Palestine and Israel would be two separate Nations with its own Independent Governments, there would be no wars and all humans would then have the right to exercise their own Free and Democratic rights to carry on their daily duties in a peaceful and loving manner, with no attacks on Race, Gender, Religion or Basic Human Rights. Putin should pull out of Ukraine to end this meaningless and needless war once and for all. Let Ukraine decide their own future in a more Peaceful manner. Then we could see The Russian Athletes and other Sports Competitors back on the World Scene in Events like the Olympics, Hockey, and Soccer!!
Another Green Signal by The Whitehouse to Putin to continue his Drone attacks on Civilian populations in Ukraine. These were anti-drone missiles!!
Once again Trump does not care about the lives of innocent citizens being taken out by Putin!!
No Ukrainian govt since Maidan has represented the will of the Ukrainian people. That is why you have a civil war happening now, to replace the Western puppet with a Russian Puppet.
It does largely represent the view of the Kremilin, but you clearly have not watched or read it much. It has definitely criticized Putin before. In many cases for being too soft. Russian bombing is not indiscriminate. They definitely target infrastructure. and military targets. Most of the civilian damage occurs when the Ukrainians hit incoming Russia missiles and they crash, or of the Ukrainian AA miss the target and come cashing down. Russia has bombs that can take an entire tower down with one hit. If they really were targeting residential buildings Kiev would look like Gaza
Dunno what you guys are laughing like a bunch of asses. You have seen what they did to Mariupol when the Azov battalion dug in. If they really wanted to flatten Kiev it would be rubble.
So does that mean Putin's real goal is 2 or 3 years of fighting over the same areas?
2 years of no land gain is exactly what he wants?
Seriously, a "civil war"??? So you are insinuating that Ukraine is a part of Russia fr it to be a "Civil War".................ROTFLMAO!!
Putin was "soft" on his opponents, meaning that he did not torture them to death, I guess just a quick light poisoning of the likes of Navalny!!
RT New is a very biased and fake news. Some of their "experts" are mainly Americans of Russian origin living in the USA. At least they are allowed to express their opinions freely without any chance of either being arrested poisoned to death. But if the reporters were living in Russia and did post any anti-Putin sentiment, no doubt that they would be arrested even if they stated that it was a "War" between Russia and Ukraine!!Get the facts straight that the civilian infrastructure was destroyed largely by The Russian drones and fighter jets. If it was not for the anti-drone missiles supplied by The EU and USA the damage would have been far worse. Now there are some more rare occasions that when these drones were downed by the Ukrainian anti-missiles yes it did cause damage to the civilian and industrial buildings. If it was not for the weapons supplied by the Western Nations, then and only then would Russia have razed large swats of Ukraine to the ground. Otherwise, why did Putin beg of Kim Jong Un for help with troops on the ground if it looked like this invasion would have been a cake walk in the park?
Its legal to attack dual use infrastructure in war, power grids are the first thing NATO attacks. Ukraine actually cut water and power off to Crimea. Its nonsense that Western weapons have protected Ukraine. The wildest estimates have them shooting down about 50-100 bombers and there is the reality that many missiles are fired from ships or subs. WIth the current state of Ukraine air defence that the quantities of Russia production today you would see building falling everyday in Kiev if that is what Russia wanted to do. Yet Kiev is still a fully functioning city. The casualties we hear off are 4 or 7 just small handfuls compared to the scores killed by Israeli bombs. Anyone who knows anything about airpower would understand Russia is going out of its way to minimize civilian casualties.Putin was "soft" on his opponents, meaning that he did not torture them to death, I guess just a quick light poisoning of the likes of Navalny!!
Get the facts straight that the civilian infrastructure was destroyed largely by The Russian drones and fighter jets. If it was not for the anti-drone missiles supplied by The EU and USA the damage would have been far worse. Now there are some more rare occasions that when these drones were downed by the Ukrainian anti-missiles yes it did cause damage to the civilian and industrial buildings. If it was not for the weapons supplied by the Western Nations, then and only then would Russia have razed large swats of Ukraine to the ground. Otherwise, why did Putin beg of Kim Jong Un for help with troops on the ground if it looked like this invasion would have been a cake walk in the park?
Why would the ability to destroy Kiev affect the length of the war. I don't think it will take 20 years. It just a statement of determination. Will NATO keep going for 20 years?
