Ukraine and Russia to negotiate - has VVP had enough?
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I don't trust Putin. It could be a ruse for him to somehow use nukes.
He's capable of anything.
He's capable of anything.
I don't trust poutine either but no need to get all paranoid... unless it's the Black Sabbath version of course.
That being said, it would be a very bad idea for the Ukraine to give in on any demands as well as a spit in the face of all the troops, military and civilian he called on to fight as well as those 13 on that island and that geer who killed himself to blow up a bridge to the Crimea.
Everything should be done to make sure Poitine loses.
Fast track NATO membership for Finland, Sweden and the Ukraine. Hell get those break away republics fully back and Crimea also but that might be a bit too much of an ask, but it would be grand. Reparations. The works. At the very least no isn't the time to cave in. Ukraine has plenty of reserves left to call, sure so does Russia but I doubt too many reservists would be keen to be called up for a bullshit war vs being called up to defend from a twat monkey attacker. It could cause problems. Also more weapons being sent from the west. Maybe Chuck Norris or Singham will step in.
He lied to his own military, saying that they were only there for military excerises, catching them off guard. He lied to the Ukranians and the West when he said that there was no way he would invade. He lied about the Ukranians being Nazis and commiting genocide, and the he was there to save them on a peackeeping mission. He's a pyschopath who is capable of anything to fulfill his twisted and demented fantasies of grandeur.
As has been proven in the previous faux diplomatic efforts to find a solution, this is nothing but another attempt at extortion.
Putin does not negotiate, he extorts.
The Ukrainian contingent is going through with this to 'buy time' as 'time' is an asset the helps them and 'time' is a detriment to Putin.
Putin does not negotiate, he extorts.
The Ukrainian contingent is going through with this to 'buy time' as 'time' is an asset the helps them and 'time' is a detriment to Putin.
I would think - if Putin is rational. - that this was the goal of the invasion, to force Ukraine to agree on neutrality and the loss of Crimea and Donbass.
I see no other rational reason for a full invasion. Putin can not rationally expect to occupy Ukraine for long, and to take Kiev would be extremely bloody.
Putin, of course, may have lost it.
Russia is going to offer terms for Ukraine to surrender. Putin wants all of Ukraine, "neutral state" the ship sailed long ago. So back to fighting.
I hope not, I hope Neutrality happens, but it may end up in a ceasefire for more time for both sides to regroup and rearm, they just go straight back to war. But I think Putin will test NATO by trying to take the Baltic Countries (Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania) after. Our only hope is that Kremlin officials stop him.
Paranoid would be predicting that it will happen.
I'm just saying that he's capable of anything. One can't predict what a mad man will do.
Which they could do anyway. The Ukrainians are going to counter-attack, just dig in and stand firm.
I don't think so. His plan was to seize Kyiv against no resistance with airborne special forces, seize Zelinsky and his associates and take them back to Russia for a show trial and then over-awe and occupy the rest of Ukraine with armoured units. None of that has worked.
VVP now has to negotiate with the "nazis" and bargain with them. That's not how a "winner" does business. I hope - and try to believe - that VVP wants some superficial concessions, so he can get the fuck out of his own poop-mess with some reputation still intact.
(Before his own guys kill him later on this year).
The only way negotiations *might* work is if Ukraine agrees to give up both breakaway provinces, forget any claim on Crimea, and vow to keep their country a neutral party with promises to never join NATO.
Putin pulling the trigger on this invasion really has given him no choice but to see it through, and I think that's the least he can accept. If he feels like he can't get that, then negotiations really aren't in Russia's interest. Russia got a headstart in this scuffle, and giving Ukraine and her allies time to arm up, re-establish supply/communication lines, and fortify, is a bad idea (for Russia).
My guess is that the offer of negotiation is a ruse by Russia in order to stall some of the harsher actions by Western powers. I wouldn't be surprised if a condition of negotiations is that Western powers immediately stop their arm shipments to Ukraine and hold off on removing Russian banks from SWIFT sanctions.
Putin pulling the trigger on this invasion really has given him no choice but to see it through, and I think that's the least he can accept. If he feels like he can't get that, then negotiations really aren't in Russia's interest. Russia got a headstart in this scuffle, and giving Ukraine and her allies time to arm up, re-establish supply/communication lines, and fortify, is a bad idea (for Russia).
My guess is that the offer of negotiation is a ruse by Russia in order to stall some of the harsher actions by Western powers. I wouldn't be surprised if a condition of negotiations is that Western powers immediately stop their arm shipments to Ukraine and hold off on removing Russian banks from SWIFT sanctions.
A Russian military spokesman finally confirmed what they were unwilling to confirm before:
"The Russian military has experienced deaths of Russian soldiers."
He did not state the number of deaths. He said they were minimal.
Is hundreds of Russian soldiers deaths is minimal?
Is the 'minimal' deaths of 100s of Russian soldiers, many of whom were probably conscripted to fight an unprovoked, unecessary, evil war acceptable to Russians?
"The Russian military has experienced deaths of Russian soldiers."
He did not state the number of deaths. He said they were minimal.
Is hundreds of Russian soldiers deaths is minimal?
Is the 'minimal' deaths of 100s of Russian soldiers, many of whom were probably conscripted to fight an unprovoked, unecessary, evil war acceptable to Russians?
