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Ukraine agrees to ceasefire

nottyboi

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France attacked Germany then chickened out in fear of German bombers
while Hitler's troops were wreaking destructions in Poland. This time
the 'allies' are smarter. They baited Ukraine into fighting Russia in
a protracted war of attrition with promise of NATO membership and
generous financial and military aid at no cost of lives of their own people.
Seeing that war is now losing they hide behind the American ass of Trump
while calling him Putin's poodle so they can extricate themselves out of
the war with their reputation intact.

I think it is very unlikely Putin will be seen as the Hitler of our
time in the end. It now looks more likely our leaders will wish the
dictator of Russia to be a forgiving man after the war.
He is not Hitler, don't be ridiculous. Bibi is the Hitler of our time. Putin does not have any sorta racial purity. He even calls the country he is fighting a brotherly nation that has been turned against Russia.
 

oil&gas

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So you have the inside scoop because your in with the world leaders ?

If you just follow the news on the war more closely (and
I am not suggesting you to read news sources from Russia)
you should know by now how divisive the war is to NATO
and EU members. The war will hopefully end soon, Ukraine
as it was pre-war will no longer exists and business will
resume as usual with Russia.

It won't be long before Putin will cease to be portrayed as
the Hitler of our time by the media. By then ask supporters of
Trudeau what did we spend all the money on aid to Ukraine
for. They shall know the answer better than me.
 

dirtydaveiii

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He is not Hitler, don't be ridiculous. Bibi is the Hitler of our time. Putin does not have any sorta racial purity. He even calls the country he is fighting a brotherly nation that has been turned against Russia.
Wow I wouldn't advise you to travel into the US now that you said that. You would be labeled a terrorist like the people who peacefully protest against Israel. Putin is as ruthless as Hitler and would not hesitate to commit genocide against Ukrainians if he thought he wouldn't get caught, just like his idol Stalin did
 

dirtydaveiii

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I had a Russian GF and also know several Russian from my gym and have studied their history. Western media is all bullshit as well.
So some Russian guys showed you their dicks and now your a pulutzer journalist? Luckily here there isn't just state run media like Fox and there are fair unbiased media like CNN and the AP, who Trump tries to sensor. Luckily these fair media personnel don't get murdered by nerve gas or chopped to pieces in an embassy (yet)
 

dirtydaveiii

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If you just follow the news on the war more closely (and
I am not suggesting you to read news sources from Russia)
you should know by now how divisive the war is to NATO
and EU members. The war will hopefully end soon, Ukraine
as it was pre-war will no longer exists and business will
resume as usual with Russia.

It won't be long before Putin will cease to be portrayed as
the Hitler of our time by the media. By then ask supporters of
Trudeau what did we spend all the money on aid to Ukraine
for. They shall know the answer better than me.
So what news do you follow? Al Jazeera? Fox ? Truth social?
 

Valcazar

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I know it won't surprise anyone but Putin said he won't accept the ceasefire.
Because he is not and idiot and winning?
I tell people again and again that ceasefires happen when people on both sides think they won't get something better by not accepting a ceasefire.
As nottyboi (and Oil&Gas) point out here, Putin sees no need to accept this ceasefire because he feels he is winning right now.

It's why everyone who insists a cease fire can "just happen" because the US says so or whatever is so delusional.
 

basketcase

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I tell people again and again that ceasefires happen when people on both sides think they won't get something better by not accepting a ceasefire.
As nottyboi (and Oil&Gas) point out here, Putin sees no need to accept this ceasefire because he feels he is winning right now.

It's why everyone who insists a cease fire can "just happen" because the US says so or whatever is so delusional.
Russia is winning on the battlefield but (according to one Milblogger) slower than a snail. But the question for Russia is their economy and future. Real inflation values are huge, and the death of young men is just adding to their population decline. They also don't have the ability to maintain their military advances as their military (at least the assault elements) are becoming reliant on old men encouraged to join up for increasing signing bonuses; not that Ukrainian recruitment is healthy.

As I said before, Ukraine can't militarily win by reconquering their territory but Russia can still lose.
 

basketcase

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If you just follow the news on the war more closely (and
I am not suggesting you to read news sources from Russia)
you should know by now how divisive the war is to NATO
and EU members. The war will hopefully end soon, Ukraine
as it was pre-war will no longer exists and business will
resume as usual with Russia.
If Ukraine was solely reliant on Trump, that may be a fair conclusion but Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, and Germany see Putin's Imperial desires as a real threat and would far rather see Ukraine wear Russia down than have Russia rearm and come after them.

It won't be long before Putin will cease to be portrayed as
the Hitler of our time by the media....
Hitler is a huge exaggeration but Putin's world view does not align with what we see as a rights respecting way of life.
 
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basketcase

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I have a hunch that the Russian troops might want to capture
or eject all Ukrainian troops trapped in Kursk first. That makes
negotiation for more concessions easier.
Putin staked his reputation on all of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, and Zaporizhzhia being Russian so I doubt he'd accept any peace process without that.
 
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oil&gas

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Hitler is a huge exaggeration but Putin's world view does not align with what we see as a rights respecting way of life.
I do see that Putin is not as respectful of life as the leaders of the west
backing Ukraine. That is why I have little to worry about our troops ever
getting killed in Ukraine. The west will not send troops to Ukraine before
the war is over. If not for Tump's meddling into the war our leaders will
continue sending weapons to Ukraine to get more Russians killed at no
cost of human lives to us to the last combat-effective Ukrainian. Ukrainian
lives are expendable though. But itis their choice to fight the invaders which
we gladly help.
 
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