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I never understood why it was so important to leave the Single Market? That's like Canada boycotting trade with the USA for a flimsy free trade deal with the PRC.

London understood what would happen and voted remain. While part of the EU, London became exceptionally wealthy. It wasn't their fault that the British Government was too incompetent to disperse the largesse outside the SouthEast. The North is thriving, how long it will last is unclear.

It wasn’t about the single market. It was about immigration (probably should have counted the number of native truck drivers first) and rejecting over regulation from Belgium.
 

mandrill

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Signore I wouldn't be clucking about Henry VIII, he was a vile pig of a man and a worse ruler than John. He broke away from the Bishop of Rome only to behead Anne Boleyn, then he beheads a teenager girl (Katherine Howard) along with having over a dozen of her supposed conspirators hung, drawn and quartered.

Not only was he a gross pig he was also an incompetent ruler and a horrible judge of character. His gambit of proclaiming himself the leader of the Flemish Protestants (future Holland) ended in disaster all around.French King Francis I was taken prisoner, Rome was sacked and Vienna nearly fell to the Ottoman Turks. Knowing that Charles V would turn his attention to him, he abandoned the Dutch, running away and hiding in Warwick Castle like Sir Robin. All Charles V had to do was sail from Antwerp up the Thames, he could have had his way with Henry in the manner that Longshanks had with the King of Scotland.

Although Charles V eventually failed to reconcile the Catholics and the Protestants, the Great Henry VIII would not bother him the rest of his reign as Emperor of Europe. Inconvenient history that the English do not advertise, but true.

I think your time line is wack. Franky the First, the Sack of Rome and the First Siege of Vienna all happened in the 1520's. Henry broke from Rome in the 1530's. Up to that time, Henry was a well behaved client of the Vatican and Madrid.
 

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Brexit could bring about the reign of Charles III, sooner rather than later.

The Queen is dependent on Modena balsamic vinegar to maintain her health. It's very expensive and also an excellent anti-oxidant. The Queen has her own private cask in Modena, the molasses like vinegar cannot be produced in England's temperate climate. What will happen if she runs out?

Che grandissimo peccato!
 

Insidious Von

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It was about immigration (probably should have counted the number of native truck drivers first) and rejecting over regulation from Belgium.
You're probably right Mandrill, Charles V was probably dealing with the Dutch rebellion, he left the defense of Vienna to his German Commander. Charles V was born in Ghent. If Henry VIII was still loyal, he went to Holland to divert attention away from Rome.

The UK is beginning negotiations for Free Trade with India, they haven't gotten very far. Prime Minister Narendra Modi wants unrestricted immigration to the UK for Indians. The supposed successor to Boris Johnson is fucking around with Article 16 again.

 

mandrill

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You're probably right Mandrill, Charles V was probably dealing with the Dutch rebellion, he left the defense of Vienna to his German Commander. Charles V was born in Ghent. If Henry VIII was still loyal, he went to Holland to divert attention away from Rome.

The UK is beginning negotiations for Free Trade with India, they haven't gotten very far. Prime Minister Narendra Modi wants unrestricted immigration to the UK for Indians. The supposed successor to Boris Johnson is fucking around with Article 16 again.

The Tory backbenchers are very racist. The whole Brexit pitch is to keep immigrants out of Britain forever. Johnson is losing his hold on his party and the anti Brexit twitter chaps are giggling about a humiliating coup dethroning him within a few weeks. There is no way that he can possibly allow unlimited Indian immigration into GB. He would be politically dead within 24 hours. When push comes to shove, those 70-year-old, fox-hunting, tweed-wearing country squires would un-do Brexit and tolerate Poles and Romanians before they would accept non white immigrants.
 

CrispyCrunch

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As i remember history, Italy did not switch sides in WWII.

In addition, I do not think you have any proof that Italian soldiers were and are any less courageous than British soldiers.

Nearly 50,000 American and 100,000 British soldiers deserted from the armed forces during World War II.

To have members of an army desert, it means that they have to be waist deep in a prolonged attritional war in the first place, something Denmark wouldn’t understand since their biggest contribution in WW1 was exporting canned meat of mediocre quality to Germany, and in WW2 they surrendered to the Nazis in just under 3 hours, then happily collaborated with them.

Meanwhile Britain was at war with the Nazis for 6 years, at one point completely alone. Italy sure didn’t consider switching sides to the allies when Britain was alone putting their country on the line being bombed by the Luftwaffe every night. It looked at that point as though their fascism had won the day. At that point those brave Italian soldiers were happy to continue massacring Croats, Slovenes, Greeks, and Ethiopians in concentration camps by the 10s of thousands, hundreds of thousands for the Ethiopians. They also oversaw the Greek famine in which 300,000 Greeks starved to death. Yes very brave actions indeed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_war_crimes

They only switched sides years later when it became crystal clear that the fascism that they created was doomed. So instead of taking the beating and bombardment they deserved like Germany and Japan did, they chose the easy way out by betraying their axis allies and switching to the now winning side.

Just for perspective,Russia executed 158 thousand soldiers for desertion in WW2 (just the ones they caught) and an estimated 2 million deserted in WW1. Russians can be described as a lot of things, but cowards is rarely one of them.
 

danmand

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To have members of an army desert, it means that they have to be waist deep in a prolonged attritional war in the first place, something Denmark wouldn’t understand since their biggest contribution in WW1 was exporting canned meat of mediocre quality to Germany, and in WW2 they surrendered to the Nazis in just under 3 hours, then happily collaborated with them.
Both my grandparents were soldiers in the German army during WWI. and I do not think history is on your side about WWII.


They only switched sides years later when it became crystal clear that the fascism that they created was doomed. So instead of taking the beating and bombardment they deserved like Germany and Japan did, they chose the easy way out by betraying their axis allies and switching to the now winning side.
You are kidding. right?
 

CrispyCrunch

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Both my grandparents were soldiers in the German army during WWI. and I do not think history is on your side about WWII.



You are kidding. right?
I had family members in the Royal Navy during WW2. You don’t seem to know what you’re talking about at all on this subject and are just speculating without even bothering to do a quick check

Also You tell me whose kidding. You’re the one who’s taken up the precarious position of defending the fascist Axis alliance
 

danmand

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I had family members in the Royal Navy during WW2. You don’t seem to know what you’re talking about at all on this subject and are just speculating without even bothering to do a quick check
Also You tell me whose kidding. You’re the one who’s taken up the precarious position of defending the fascist Axis alliance
In what universe have I defended "the fascist axis alliance"?

There is no need to be insulting because we have different points of view.

I honestly thought you were posting some kind of sarcasm:


They only switched sides years later when it became crystal clear that the fascism that they created was doomed. So instead of taking the beating and bombardment they deserved like Germany and Japan did, they chose the easy way out by betraying their axis allies and switching to the now winning side.
 
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Insidious Von

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Scotland supported the Azzurri.

Cowardice by some English Supermen, all the pressure was on black youngsters, I felt so sorry for Bakayo Saka. The worst offender was The Immortal Jack Grealish, he threw Coach Southgate under a bus to the press after refusing to face The Land Shark.

 

CrispyCrunch

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In what universe have I defended "the fascist axis alliance"?

There is no need to be insulting because we have different points of view.

I honestly thought you were posting some kind of sarcasm:
I also thought you were being sarcastic with your attempt to brush off Italian war crimes and atrocities like they never happened so that you can take fascist Italy’s side over Britain’s.

 

danmand

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I also thought you were being sarcastic with your attempt to brush off Italian war crimes and atrocities like they never happened so that you can take fascist Italy’s side over Britain’s.
I honestly do not understand you.

When did I "take fascist Italy’s side over" anybody? You wrote:

They only switched sides years later when it became crystal clear that the fascism that they created was doomed. So instead of taking the beating and bombardment they deserved like Germany and Japan did, they chose the easy way out by betraying their axis allies and switching to the now winning side.
I applaud the Italian people getting rid of Mussolini and leaving the fascist axis. I don't understand why you would not also.
 

CrispyCrunch

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I honestly do not understand you.

When did I "take fascist Italy’s side over" anybody? You wrote:



I applaud the Italian people getting rid of Mussolini and leaving the fascist axis. I don't understand why you would not also.
When you replied to my post talking about British deserters and how Italians were their equals in the war effort even though it wasn’t even close.

You take literally a minute to reply to all my posts and I’m not going to argue with someone like That. I’m putting you on ignore for now.
 

danmand

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When you replied to my post talking about British deserters and how Italians were their equals in the war effort even though it wasn’t even close.

You take literally a minute to reply to all my posts and I’m not going to argue with someone like That. I’m putting you on ignore for now.
That works for me.
 
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