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Insidious Von

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Finally the story is told, it proved to be a blessing in disguise for the UK, unfortunately it doomed John Major.

The irony is Nigel Farage did much the same in 2016 and got away with it.

 

Insidious Von

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Just like when King Henry 8th broke from the organized mafia of kiddie fiddlers that Rome spread throughout Europe in the 16th century like the coronavirus, which led to his excommunication and ultimately a spectacularly failed invasion attempt in 1588, Great Britain will be alright.
Signore I wouldn't be clucking about Henry VIII, he was a vile pig of a man and a worse ruler than John. He broke away from the Bishop of Rome only to behead Anne Boleyn, then he beheads a teenager girl (Katherine Howard) along with having over a dozen of her supposed conspirators hung, drawn and quartered.

Not only was he a gross pig he was also an incompetent ruler and a horrible judge of character. His gambit of proclaiming himself the leader of the Flemish Protestants (future Holland) ended in disaster all around.French King Francis I was taken prisoner, Rome was sacked and Vienna nearly fell to the Ottoman Turks. Knowing that Charles V would turn his attention to him, he abandoned the Dutch, running away and hiding in Warwick Castle like Sir Robin. All Charles V had to do was sail from Antwerp up the Thames, he could have had his way with Henry in the manner that Longshanks had with the King of Scotland.

Although Charles V eventually failed to reconcile the Catholics and the Protestants, the Great Henry VIII would not bother him the rest of his reign as Emperor of Europe. Inconvenient history that the English do not advertise, but true.

 
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Not only was he a cruel tyrant he was as good a money manager as Nero. He squandered most of the riches he seized from the Catholic Abbeys, when he died Britain had become an outlier in Europe. Calais would fall to the French in less than a decade.

The most tragic execution.

 
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Signore I wouldn't be clucking about Henry VIII, he was a vile pig of a man and a worse ruler than John. He broke away from the Bishop of Rome only to behead Anne Boleyn, then he beheads a teenager girl (Katherine Howard) along with having over a dozen of her supposed conspirators hung, drawn and quartered.

Not only was he a gross pig he was also an incompetent ruler and a horrible judge of character. His gambit of proclaiming himself the leader of the Flemish Protestants (future Holland) ended in disaster all around.French King Francis I was taken prisoner, Rome was sacked and Vienna nearly fell to the Ottoman Turks. Knowing that Charles V would turn his attention to him, he abandoned the Dutch, running away and hiding in Warwick Castle like Sir Robin. All Charles V had to do was sail from Antwerp up the Thames, he could have had his way with Henry in the manner that Longshanks had with the King of Scotland.

Although Charles V eventually failed to reconcile the Catholics and the Protestants, the Great Henry VIII would not bother him the rest of his reign as Emperor of Europe. Inconvenient history that the English do not advertise, but true.
Henry 8th was the one who started the build up of the Royal Navy , which became the the dominate force behind the creation of the largest empire the world has ever known - The British Empire
I believe he also started public education, which helped the Royal Navy be able to fire 3 cannon shots for every 2 the French, Dutch and Spaniard's could manage. This resulted in the Royal Navy.... winning almost all of its battles

He may have been a gross pig and not a fun guy to disappoint , but there are very few leaders whos foresight had such a profound positive impact for centuries to come

so an incompetent ruler and a horrible judge of character.
 

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Signore I wouldn't be clucking about Henry VIII, he was a vile pig of a man and a worse ruler than John. He broke away from the Bishop of Rome only to behead Anne Boleyn, then he beheads a teenager girl (Katherine Howard) along with having over a dozen of her supposed conspirators hung, drawn and quartered.

Not only was he a gross pig he was also an incompetent ruler and a horrible judge of character. His gambit of proclaiming himself the leader of the Flemish Protestants (future Holland) ended in disaster all around.French King Francis I was taken prisoner, Rome was sacked and Vienna nearly fell to the Ottoman Turks. Knowing that Charles V would turn his attention to him, he abandoned the Dutch, running away and hiding in Warwick Castle like Sir Robin. All Charles V had to do was sail from Antwerp up the Thames, he could have had his way with Henry in the manner that Longshanks had with the King of Scotland.
I remember watching a show with these two older female historians.
They mentioned his stomach girth and how disgusting it must of been for his wives to have sex with him. At the time my gut girth was a bit bigger. I am like hey, what the fuck. This was before the cancer known as body positivity came about.

I mean don't get me wrong, I am sure banging fat dudes much be really gross but one after the other they both went on and on about it.
 

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The Royal Navy was beefed up to deal with French raids on Britain's south coast during The 100 Years war. Henry VII bolstered it to gain a foothold in the New World, otherwise the USA would be speaking French today.

He was correct about the Spanish Netherlands as the Dutch won their freedom from Hapsburg Spain by the end of the 16th Century. Charles V was a brilliant ruler but he could not prevent the Thirty Years War from eventually happening.

 

Insidious Von

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I mean don't get me wrong, I am sure banging fat dudes much be really gross but one after the other they both went on and on about it.
I know what you mean, for the sake of my injured heart I'm doing everything I can to stay off cigarettes. It's not easy, if I'm not careful, I could turn into Mr. Creosote
 

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Signore I wouldn't be clucking about Henry VIII, he was a vile pig of a man and a worse ruler than John. He broke away from the Bishop of Rome only to behead Anne Boleyn, then he beheads a teenager girl (Katherine Howard) along with having over a dozen of her supposed conspirators hung, drawn and quartered.

Not only was he a gross pig he was also an incompetent ruler and a horrible judge of character. His gambit of proclaiming himself the leader of the Flemish Protestants (future Holland) ended in disaster all around.French King Francis I was taken prisoner, Rome was sacked and Vienna nearly fell to the Ottoman Turks. Knowing that Charles V would turn his attention to him, he abandoned the Dutch, running away and hiding in Warwick Castle like Sir Robin. All Charles V had to do was sail from Antwerp up the Thames, he could have had his way with Henry in the manner that Longshanks had with the King of Scotland.

Although Charles V eventually failed to reconcile the Catholics and the Protestants, the Great Henry VIII would not bother him the rest of his reign as Emperor of Europe. Inconvenient history that the English do not advertise, but true.


We’ve all probably seen numerous movies, tv shows or documentaries depicting Henry’s obesity, gout, and the execution of his wives so a history lesson on that is pointless. Whether Henry’s reasons and actions were misguided or not, his decision was very much worth it in the end to escape from the mass pedophilia that Rome was so determined to infest Europe with first in the direct form of the Roman Empire, and later in the more coy form of the Roman Catholic Church. For some reason in movies and documentaries always leave out the widely accepted practice of pederasty in Rome and how it was common practice for Roman men to penetrate the young slave boys of a conquered nation.


Heres part of the video in text

See, in Rome, there wasn’t exactly an age of consent. If you were going to engage in a homosexual relationship with a free-born male, you had to wait until they were at least 12. But, as far as slaves were concerned, anything went – and it usually did. Aside from the Warren Cup, we have the writings of Juvenal and Quintilian; both casually informing us that schoolmasters liked to groom young boys. Then there are the numerous laws issued on the subject – preserved to this day – to stop the practice spilling over into ‘regular’ life. So pervasive, in fact, was this pederasty that Romans who didn’t fancy young boys were generally considered a little odd


Btw you’re copying the terms I used to describe Italy with as both the economic sick man of Europe and the odd outlier of Europe that still refuses to confront its racist colonial past. At least be original and come up with some of your own terms.
 

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Roman Sexuality Accepted Pedophilia

The pursuit of beauty and the obsession with the masculine ideal led to the widespread practice of pederasty—a sexual relationship between an adult man and an adolescent boy. This had been a common feature of the Greek world and was adapted by the Romans who saw it as a natural expression of male privilege and domination. A Roman man would direct his sexual attention toward a slave boy or, at times, even a freeborn child, and would continue to do so until the boy reached puberty. These relationships were seen as an acceptable and even idealized form of love, the kind of love that expressed itself in poem, story, and song.

In the Roman world “a man’s wife was often seen as beneath him and less than him, but a sexual relationship with another male, boy or man, represented a higher form of intellectual love and engagement. It was a man joining with that which was his equal and who could therefore share experiences and ideas with him in a way he could not with a woman.” Pederasty—pedophilia—was understood to be good and acceptable.


As for the Roman Catholic Church, I’m sure we’re all familiar to some extent with all the horrific stories that have popped up in recent decades, and the coverups right from the top. The tip of the iceberg.


I wonder how many poor children had to suffer from sexual abuse in the last several thousand years due to direct influence from Rome, the number is probably astronomical, in the hundreds of millions even.
 

Insidious Von

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I agree with you, I'm no fan of the Catholic Church, too bad the Romans weren't pure of heart like the Victorians.

 

Insidious Von

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Victorian morality is a beautiful thing...this is making me feel dirty. My last post.

 

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Crispy Crunch enjoy the rest of your weekend. This is it for me, congratulations you're the first person I've put on ignore.

 

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Well just like I said, loves dishing It out but can’t take it when the tables of turned. Literally throwing stones from a glass house. Italy the creators of fascism who made full use of concentration camps and mustard gas killing 500,000 Africans then bombing the ambulances coming to help them, got off the hook in WW2 because they switched sides like cowards.

 

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Well just like I said, loves dishing It out but can’t take it when the tables of turned. Literally throwing stones from a glass house. Italy the creators of fascism who made full use of concentration camps and mustard gas killing 500,000 Africans then bombing the ambulances coming to help them, got off the hook in WW2 because they switched sides like cowards.
As i remember history, Italy did not switch sides in WWII.

In addition, I do not think you have any proof that Italian soldiers were and are any less courageous than British soldiers.

Nearly 50,000 American and 100,000 British soldiers deserted from the armed forces during World War II.
 

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As i remember history, Italy did not switch sides in WWII.

In addition, I do not think you have any proof that Italian soldiers were and are any less courageous than British soldiers.
You have no idea what you are talking about... again.
It's one thing not to know something but it seems you don't have an idea what your limits of knowledge of something is.

"The Italian Co-belligerent Army was the result of the Allied armistice with Italy on 8 September 1943; King Victor Emmanuel III dismissed Benito Mussolini as Prime Minister in July 1943 following the Allied invasion of Southern Italy, and nominated Marshal of Italy (Maresciallo d'Italia) Pietro Badoglio instead, who later aligned Italy with the Allies to fight the Social Republic's forces and its German allies in Northern Italy. "

Also although some units of the Italian military [artiliary, paratroopers and mini [suicide] submarine forces had difficulty walking because of their huge balls, much of the rest were not very impressive. Granted they had good reasons which would be a waste of my time to go into going having no bottom but still, it is what it is. I know you hate everything western but to take Facist Italy's side over the UK is a bit much even for you.
 
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Insidious Von

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Sandro Pertini ordered the execution of Benito Mussolini, he was 86 and President of Italy when the Azzurri won the World Cup in 1982.

 

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I remember watching a show with these two older female historians.
They mentioned his stomach girth and how disgusting it must of been for his wives to have sex with him. At the time my gut girth was a bit bigger. I am like hey, what the fuck. This was before the cancer known as body positivity came about.

I mean don't get me wrong, I am sure banging fat dudes much be really gross but one after the other they both went on and on about it.
I think the putrid, odiferous syphilis sores and ulcers on his body were a bit off-putting. There's a theory that Henry's personality changed after a concussion following a fall from his horse in early middle age. That's debatable, as it is widely taken that his wife-shopping was an attempt to produce a viable male heir before he died. England had a recent history of endless civil was throughout the late 1400's and coup attempts before and after that.

The theory about body positivity is an interesting one. Men have always - I suspect - projected standards of beauty onto women. One has only to think back to our first surviving "storybook", the Iliad and how Homer extolled the "beauty" of Helen of Troy. It's a hard sell to suggest that women did not also have ideals of male beauty, although those standards - in both sexes - may have been widely divergent from today's ideals.



Late in life, Henry became obese, with a waist measurement of 54 inches (140 cm), and had to be moved about with the help of mechanical devices. He was covered with painful, pus-filled boils and possibly suffered from gout. His obesity and other medical problems can be traced to the jousting accident in 1536 in which he suffered a leg wound. The accident reopened and aggravated an injury he had sustained years earlier, to the extent that his doctors found it difficult to treat. The chronic wound festered for the remainder of his life and became ulcerated, preventing him from maintaining the level of physical activity he had previously enjoyed. The jousting accident is also believed to have caused Henry's mood swings, which may have had a dramatic effect on his personality and temperament.[145][146]

The theory that Henry suffered from syphilis has been dismissed by most historians.[147][148] Historian Susan Maclean Kybett ascribes his demise to scurvy, which is caused by insufficient vitamin C most often due to a lack of fresh fruits and vegetables in one's diet.[149] Alternatively, his wives' pattern of pregnancies and his mental deterioration have led some to suggest that he may have been Kell positive and suffered from McLeod syndrome.[146][150] According to another study, Henry's history and body morphology may have been the result of traumatic brain injury after his 1536 jousting accident, which in turn led to a neuroendocrine cause of his obesity. This analysis identifies growth hormone deficiency (GHD) as the reason for his increased adiposity but also significant behavioural changes noted in his later years, including his multiple marriages.[151]
 
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I am not British and don't follow it very closely so I am purely talking out of my ass here.
I think it was more a problem with letting immigrants in from the EU with no controls and the money sent to the EU than trade itself.
All those Polish plumbers and the like.

OTOH as Jimmy Carr said. If you lose your job to someone who can't speak English, maybe you're shit.
And now they have a worker shortage.
Total win.

 

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Crispy Crunch enjoy the rest of your weekend. This is it for me, congratulations you're the first person I've put on ignore.
Most Brit historians will suggest that the Boer War concentration camps were a draconian security measure to separate the Boer guerillas from the supporting general population and that the epidemics and starvation that ensued were an unintended consquence. To put it in context, the Germans committed genocide in Namibia at the same time. The French and Belgians were also extremely ruthless and sadistic in their own Sub Saharan colonies. That was "excusable" by the standards of the day, as the victims were non white. The Boers were white and that was taken far more seriously.
 

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The Royal Navy was beefed up to deal with French raids on Britain's south coast during The 100 Years war. Henry VII bolstered it to gain a foothold in the New World, otherwise the USA would be speaking French today.

He was correct about the Spanish Netherlands as the Dutch won their freedom from Hapsburg Spain by the end of the 16th Century. Charles V was a brilliant ruler but he could not prevent the Thirty Years War from eventually happening.
Well, it happened 70 years after his death in a totally different period of European history and after almost a century of peaceful status quo in Germany where both religions had accepted each other's existence. IIRC the newly-elected King of Bohemia in 1618 was a RADICAL protestant and destabilized the politics of Germany and that sparked the 30 Years War.
 
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