Ufc 154

[Tao]

Thoughts?

UFC 154: St-Pierre vs. Condit
Sat., Nov. 17, 2012
Bell Centre
Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Main Card:

Georges St. Pierre (170) vs. Carlos Condit (169)
Johny Hendricks (171) vs. Martin Kampmann (171)
Tom Lawlor (184) vs. Francis Carmont (185)
Constantinos Philippou (185) vs. Nick Ring (184)
Mark Hominick (145) vs. Pablo Garza (145)

Preliminary Card:

Patrick Cote (185) vs. Alessio Sakara (186)
Cyrille Diabate (206) vs. Chad Griggs (205)
John Makdessi (155) vs. Sam Stout (154)
Mark Bocek (156) vs. Rafael dos Anjos (155)
Antonio Carvalho (145) vs. Rodrigo Damm (145)
John Maguire (171) vs. Matt Riddle (170)
Azamat Gashimov (135) vs. Ivan Menjivar (135)
Darren Elkins (145) vs. Steven Siler (145)

 

[dj1470]

Georges St. Pierre vs. Carlos Condit - GSP 3rd TKO
Johny Hendricks vs. Martin Kampmann - Hendricks 1st KO
Tom Lawlor vs. Francis Carmont - Carmont 2nd submission
Constantinos Philippou vs. Nick Ring - Ring 3rd TKO
Mark Hominick vs. Pablo Garza - Hominick 1st KO
Patrick Cote vs. Alessio Sakara - Cote unanimous
Cyrille Diabate vs. Chad Griggs - Diabate unanimous
John Makdessi vs. Sam Stout - Stout 2nd KO

 

[The Oracle]

Georges St. Pierre (170) vs. Carlos Condit (169)...........GSP by late round stoppage.
Johny Hendricks (171) vs. Martin Kampmann (171).......Kampmann by TKO.

Tom Lawlor (184) vs. Francis Carmont (185)...............
Constantinos Philippou (185) vs. Nick Ring (184)........Ring has got a few gift decisions so far so he'll have to work for this one. Ring by UD
Mark Hominick (145) vs. Pablo Garza (145)............... It's do or die for Mark. Hominick by 3rd round KO

 

[kirmit129]

I do not like what I'm about to say but Condit by KO...

 

[dj1470]

I do not like what I'm about to say but Condit by KO...

You are right.
Condit is going to get knocked out.:thumb:

BTW, Nick Ring is a last minute scratch due to a viral infection this morning and a spiked fever of 105C. Doctors would not let him fight under any circumstances.

 

[gladheateher]

GSP fears Condit. The arrogant frenchman was lucky against Shields and barely beat Koschek - his luck runs out tonight, book it!

 

[Smash]

Condit by 4th rd TKO... GSP can't knock anybody out.

 

[Tao]

barely beat Koschek - his luck runs out tonight, book it!

umm ok, the world must have seen a diff fight than you

 

[shack]

BTW, Nick Ring is a last minute scratch due to a viral infection this morning and a spiked fever of 105C.

Wow, a fever of 221F and still alive.:Eek::biggrin1:

 

[Smash]

Johny Hendricks, wow.. He one punch KO'd Kampmann and Fitch. I never thought that was possible.
Carlos couldn't capitalize when he hurt GSP but he gave a good fight. Once again the wrestling skillz of Georges got him the UD.

 

[dj1470]

Wow, a fever of 221F and still alive.:Eek::biggrin1:

Opps sorry of course meant 105F - that damn metric system again!

GSP fears Condit. The arrogant frenchman was lucky against Shields and barely beat Koschek - his luck runs out tonight, book it!

The arrogant gladheater wrong again. Book it!
GSP abused Condit just like he abused Koscheck. Shields was the best of the three and GSP was unmotivated for that fight so it was a run-of-the-mill victory.

Condit by 4th rd TKO... GSP can't knock anybody out.

No but he can push them around and abuse them unmercilessly for 25 minutes.

 

[frankcastle]

Best GSP fight in a long time. I liked it because it was not a 5 round jab and takedown fest..... he took more chances and I think he meant the apology that he gave in the previous fight to hte fans about the fight being boring.

Silva vs GSP is bad for both fighters and only good for Dana White and the UFC. It would sell tickets but ..... Silva doesn't need the fight as he is demolishing guys in his weightclass a challenging fight will not come from a guy like GSP who has to go 5 rounds not to mention put on weight to fight Silva. Silva has nothing to gain from that fight.

GSP will get killed as he is beating people in his weight class but not finishing them.

I think Jon Jones vs Silva is a more intriguing fihgt.

The rest of the PPV was rather forgettable.

glad to see a lot of Canadian fighters but most of them aren't very good. I'd rather see better fighters rather than fighers from Canada.

If it wasn't for the main even the PPV would have been disappointing.

BTW did you guys watch it on the xbox? Pre ordering on the xbox took 30% off the price tag. Picture quality was very good. If that happens again I would do it.

 

[The Oracle]

God damn that Hendricks has some power. He hit Kampmann with a arm punch and still laid him out prone. Of course GSP would just jab his way to a victory if they were to ever engage.

After all the hype though GSP still fought exactly the same way as he has done since his loss to Serra. All high percentage with little risk taking. His style is set and I don't feel he could change it even if he wanted to at this juncture.

Silva would eat him for lunch and I think he knows it.

Hominick is terrible off his back and the scarecrow exposed that quite clearly. I'm sure he won't be cut though because there is a dearth of quality Canadian fighters and the UFC needs able bodies for their Canadian events. However barring a major turn around he's just a gatekeeper from here on out.

Bocek should retire. He's a ''B'' level fighter who gets dominated by the top tier talent. His striking hasn't developed and realistically it isn't going to get any better at this stage in his career.

 

[frankcastle]

Oh wait that knock out in the first round was cool..... happened so fast. Even in slow mo that straight didn't look that powerful..... looked like it barely touched the guy and he fell back. That was another highlight. Hendricks that was the guy.

And back to the GSP fight that 3rd round made it interesting.

 

[Smash]

After all the hype though GSP still fought exactly the same way as he has done since his loss to Serra. All high percentage with little risk taking. His style is set and I don't feel he could change it even if he wanted to at this juncture.

Silva would eat him for lunch and I think he knows it.

This is the only way Safe Pierre can fight. He doesn't have good striking technique so he has no power behind his punches. He's not an legit bjj blk belt (even tho he's listed as a bjj blk belt) it was proved in the Hardy fight when Georges coudn't even do a basic armbar against a fighter with no ground skills like Hardy. Even in this fight with Carlos in the 4th rd Georges had his back but gave it up becus he didn't know how to finish the move.

Georges ability to hold down fighters and get a UD prevails again.

Hell yea Georges knows that Silva would destroy him that's why he's been dodging all the questions regarding a superfight. He's doing an Mayweather by slipin and weavin from a challenge.

Safe Pierre has now won 7 out of his last 10 fights by decision. His last submission was 2007 and his last real KO was 2006 both from a washed up Matt Hughes.

 

[frankcastle]

This is the only way Safe Pierre can fight. He doesn't have good striking technique so he has no power behind his punches. He's not an legit bjj blk belt (even tho he's listed as a bjj blk belt) it was proved in the Hardy fight when Georges coudn't even do a basic armbar against a fighter with no ground skills like Hardy. Even in this fight with Carlos in the 4th rd Georges had his back but gave it up becus he didn't know how to finish the move.

Georges ability to hold down fighters and get a UD prevails again.

Hell yea Georges knows that Silva would destroy him that's why he's been dodging all the questions regarding a superfight. He's doing an Mayweather by slipin and weavin from a challenge.

Safe Pierre has now won 7 out of his last 10 fights by decision. His last submission was 2007 and his last real KO was 2006 both from a washed up Matt Hughes.

I'm not sure, in the Hardy fight I credit some of that to Dan and his rubbery arm...... I swear it was being cranked back in ways an arm should not bend but I fully admit I don't know the intricacies of a good arm bar.

And yes Condit gave GSP his back but wasn't that in the 5th round? And wasn't it for a short instance? Exhaustion and the brief opening might have explained that away. I'm not saying he's a bjj master just that the two pieces of evidence that you provide are not conclusive. I do agree however that the rarity of his submission wins is a good sign that his sub game is not as good as advertised.

He plays a safe game but I felt this match was more uptempo and aggressive than previous matches..... yes there's a lot of jabbing and hand checks but it felt like shorter waits between the flurries of action.

And to GSP's credit his style is no secret. You know what to expect from him..... jabs and takedowns the fighter who can counter both of those will defeat gsp unfortunately that's easier said than done. I think age and injuries will be what catches up to GSP before a figher beats him straight up.

Tonight there was good ground and pound..... credit to Condit for keeping one leg of GSP wrapped up most of the time to prevent passing of the guard. This forced GSP to work mainly in the half mount. Not an enviable position to be in as Carlos ate a lot of elbpows and fists.

 

[Smash]

I'm not sure, in the Hardy fight I credit some of that to Dan and his rubbery arm...... I swear it was being cranked back in ways an arm should not bend but I fully admit I don't know the intricacies of a good arm bar.

That's what allot of people think. That Hardy is super strong or he is so flexible that armbars don't work on him.lol BS
The fact is that if an armbar is applied properly by even a white belt once he/she applies pressure YOU WILL TAP I don't care who you are. You don't have a choice either you tap or POP. Don't believe me roll with even just a white stripe and see if you don't tap.
Now if a bjj blk belt gets you in it you're done. Watch Rhonda when she applies it and time how fast her opponent taps.

I sometimes roll with a blue belt friend of mine so I know what its like to be in allot of these holds and I'll tell you, its very, very painfull.

 

[dj1470]

I'm not sure, in the Hardy fight I credit some of that to Dan and his rubbery arm...... I swear it was being cranked back in ways an arm should not bend but I fully admit I don't know the intricacies of a good arm bar.

And yes Condit gave GSP his back but wasn't that in the 5th round? And wasn't it for a short instance? Exhaustion and the brief opening might have explained that away. I'm not saying he's a bjj master just that the two pieces of evidence that you provide are not conclusive. I do agree however that the rarity of his submission wins is a good sign that his sub game is not as good as advertised.

He plays a safe game but I felt this match was more uptempo and aggressive than previous matches..... yes there's a lot of jabbing and hand checks but it felt like shorter waits between the flurries of action.

And to GSP's credit his style is no secret. You know what to expect from him..... jabs and takedowns the fighter who can counter both of those will defeat gsp unfortunately that's easier said than done. I think age and injuries will be what catches up to GSP before a figher beats him straight up.

Tonight there was good ground and pound..... credit to Condit for keeping one leg of GSP wrapped up most of the time to prevent passing of the guard. This forced GSP to work mainly in the half mount. Not an enviable position to be in as Carlos ate a lot of elbpows and fists.

Well said frank
But it will fall on deaf ears.
GSP haters are just going to hate.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I can't get into this UFC.

 

[wonkyknee]

Joe Rogan kept saying condit had GSP "BADLY HURT" in the 3rd round. The kick connected, and it left a real nice hematoma...but unlike Kampmann, GSP was obviously struggling to keep his balance on the way down, but had all his wits about him, covering up while still on his back. He recovered and in my opinion even won that 3rd round, much like the opinion of two of the judges that gave him all 5 rounds.
I'm scared for GSP to fight Silva. It is one hell of a weight difference and wing span. Silva did however have the most trouble against the wrestling of Chael Sonnen, and I can see GSP avoiding the mistakes that Sonnen made.