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[wonkyknee]

Well said. We also don't know what injuries Sonnen might have been hiding in BOTH fights. To say that Silva completely forgot how to box in the first fight because of his rib injury is silly. If anything he should have boxed even better if he had to deal with a rib injury. Sonnen did real well in the first fight in the stand, just as he did well in the second fight until his silly back fist.
The matchup was a great one. Anything can happen in a fight, but something to be said about how Silva always wins in the end. Its kind of like a winning pitcher in major league baseball whose ERA isn't always so great. Somehow they "find a way to win"

Was hoping Chael would come out on top, shame he didn't. I can't say much to those who think Silva was 'toying' with Sonnen Its hard to respond with a straight face.

In the first match, Sonnen proved himself in 5 rounds. Last night, Silva was 100%, no rib injury, and once again Sonnen dominated an entire first round. Silva has made many top notch fighters look amatuer, others like Griffin and Franklin he flat out embarrassed.
This was not the cast in two meetings with Sonnen. I thought the fight was stopped too quick, but then maybe that knee took too much out of Chael.

In the end, the better man, an absolute machine won. Despite the hate most have for Sonnen, I'm sure some will agree Chael has done far better than most in this situation.

As for a rematch, I'd not want to see it. To me, Chael lost his window last night. It would be like the old days seeing Liddell beats Ortiz again.. and again.

 

[GG2]

Says you.
What? You have a crystal ball and can tell the future?

I just understand the dynamics of the sport. Each fighter has much more to lose than to gain by taking any of those matchups. You have a better chance of winning Lotto 649 than ever seeing any of those fights ever take place.

 

[frankcastle]

Agreeed GSP wont fight Silva, well maybe when their careers are winding down. But the two really are in different weight classes and for GSP to go up he would be at a great disadvantage just based on size.

 

[Smash]

Who said Silva vs Fedor next?

 

[Manji]

Well said. We also don't know what injuries Sonnen might have been hiding in BOTH fights. To say that Silva completely forgot how to box in the first fight because of his rib injury is silly. If anything he should have boxed even better if he had to deal with a rib injury. Sonnen did real well in the first fight in the stand, just as he did well in the second fight until his silly back fist.
The matchup was a great one. Anything can happen in a fight, but something to be said about how Silva always wins in the end. Its kind of like a winning pitcher in major league baseball whose ERA isn't always so great. Somehow they "find a way to win"

A rib injury is one of those injuries that affects everything you do....
Punching and Kicking....Sprawling and movement...
The injury didn't make Silva completely forget how to box but it does affect his offensive abilities....
When you have an injury like that it fucks with your head cause you're first priority is to protect the injury and that will screw with your rhythm...

Silva is at his most dangerous when he finds his rhythm...
Watch his fights with Leben and Franklin...He starts off slow but then at some point it look like he starts dancing (a little Brazilian Samba) and then all of a sudden he starts unleashing one damaging strike after another...

 

[Manji]

Was hoping Chael would come out on top, shame he didn't. I can't say much to those who think Silva was 'toying' with Sonnen Its hard to respond with a straight face.

In the first match, Sonnen proved himself in 5 rounds. Last night, Silva was 100%, no rib injury, and once again Sonnen dominated an entire first round. Silva has made many top notch fighters look amatuer, others like Griffin and Franklin he flat out embarrassed.
This was not the cast in two meetings with Sonnen. I thought the fight was stopped too quick, but then maybe that knee took too much out of Chael.
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It would be extremely foolish to say that Silva was toying with Sonnen....
Silva had a chance to toy with Sonnen in the second round...he could have let Sonnen stand up after that big knee to the body and start dismantling/punishing him after that...
Instead he decided it was smarter and safer to just finish Chael on the ground while he was still badly hurt from the knee....

On the flip side I don't know if you could say Sonnen "dominated" Slva on the ground....
He did control Silva by keeping him down but he didn't really land any effective strikes or threaten Silva with any real submissions....
When the first round ended Silva didn't even look fazed or hurt at all....
To me domination means that the person being dominated is being damaged with effective hits or threatened with real submissions as well....

Though Sonnen was much more successful at controlling Anderson on the ground then any of Silva's previous UFC opponents...

I would not be against seeing a third fight between the two....though it wouldn't bother me if it didn't happen either....
Though I think it won't happen....but who knows with the UFC (we did just witness Tito-Griffin III)

 

[GG2]

I've not liked Silva for a long time as a fighter. He is incredible, I will not deny that. But showboat, in ring antics, stalling, and lack of finish drive me crazy. Sonnen on the other hand, can say things to make you hate him, but in the ring, few can deny he comes to fight, give 100% and entertain.

WTF? Lack of finish? Silva finishes EVERY time. Every fight except 2 in the UFC have ended in KO's. He is perhaps the most entertaining fighter in the UFC. Who besides Jones pulls off feats of athletic genius in the octagon?

The hate for Silva is unreal.

Sonnen is an idiot, a criminal, a drug addict, has a terrible sense of humor, can't finish fights, can't beat Silva if his life depended on it, has never been close to a legit victory over Silva, is a complete bore, and has no future career in the UFC.

 

[kirmit129]

In the second round, Sonnen attempted at least 2 takedowns and "somehow" couldn't do it anymore.

 

[kirmit129]

WTF? Lack of finish? Silva finishes EVERY time. Every fight except 2 in the UFC have ended in KO's.

No, in the UFC,

Chael Sonnen(First fight)
Demian Maia
Thales Leites
Dan Henderson
Travis Lutter

All did not end with a KO or TKO. Only 2 decisions though. He got ripped for his performance against Thales Leites. However, Thales Leites kept pulling guard and Silva had no obligation to jump into a black belt bjj guard.

 

[dj1470]

Silva is 30-4 in his career (UFC, PRIDE, etc.) and 9 have gone to decisions win or lose. He has either KO'd, TKO'd, or submitted (minus the Okami DQ) his fights and that comes out to approx. a 70% finish rate. Not bad.

 

[ackack]

Who said Silva vs Fedor next?

I did. I guess I'm not serious though. I love the legend of how Fedor was unbeatable back then. Now he's lost 3x etc. and his time to shine is gone?
If we could have Fedor just clip him on the chin perfectly, lights out.

The Okami rematch was a joke. Talk about overmatched.

Who can beat Silva, besides Bones Jones?

 

[frankcastle]

WTF? Lack of finish? Silva finishes EVERY time. Every fight except 2 in the UFC have ended in KO's. He is perhaps the most entertaining fighter in the UFC. Who besides Jones pulls off feats of athletic genius in the octagon?

The hate for Silva is unreal.

Sonnen is an idiot, a criminal, a drug addict, has a terrible sense of humor, can't finish fights, can't beat Silva if his life depended on it, has never been close to a legit victory over Silva, is a complete bore, and has no future career in the UFC.

No hate for Silva.

I just find that you build him up too much.

Very good fighter, best in his weight class. But you make him sound like he is sooooo far above the competition. The competition still have a chance, not a great one but they have a chance. Thus this is the reason why I think we disagree.

 

[wonkyknee]

Yeah the arguments here have been tooooooo "ABSOLUTE". Noone can doubt the fighting ability of either Sonnen or Silva. You can hate either for your personal reasons, but both fights could have ended differently. The fact that they both ended in Silva's favour just add's to his mystique...as well as his legacy.

No hate for Silva.

I just find that you build him up too much.

Very good fighter, best in his weight class. But you make him sound like he is sooooo far above the competition. The competition still have a chance, not a great one but they have a chance. Thus this is the reason why I think we disagree.