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Ufc 148
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Its too bad Sonnen slipped, cause I think the fight wouldve been much closer had he not slipped.
But I still think Silva wouldve won
But I still think Silva wouldve won
Its too bad Sonnen slipped, cause I think the fight wouldve been much closer had he not slipped.
But I still think Silva wouldve won
Slip or no slip, it would have ended in round 2. The fight would never have been close. Silva was toying with him, and if Sonnen had remained on his feet, he would have gotten knocked out. They're in different leagues altogether not unlike a pro vs an amateur, a vet vs a rookie, a man vs a child.
Looking ath their two fights. I think Sonnen had more than just a slim chance of winning.
Chael's mistake was swinging for the fences with a spinning backfist. After dominating round 1 I would have suggested that he fight a little more conservatively knowing that Silva is going to have to be aggressive to win the round or finish via ko or sub. Chael should have bided his time and looked for a chance for a takedown and continue the ground and pound.
And all that "come over for a bbq" shit. That was over the top especially considering all the trash talk before the fight. Not to mention it's easy to be gracious when you win. Would Silva have said that stuff if he lost? Who knows.
Don't get me wrong I prefer Silva over Sonnen but that fight was closer than the second round finish would suggest.
Chael's mistake was swinging for the fences with a spinning backfist. After dominating round 1 I would have suggested that he fight a little more conservatively knowing that Silva is going to have to be aggressive to win the round or finish via ko or sub. Chael should have bided his time and looked for a chance for a takedown and continue the ground and pound.
And all that "come over for a bbq" shit. That was over the top especially considering all the trash talk before the fight. Not to mention it's easy to be gracious when you win. Would Silva have said that stuff if he lost? Who knows.
Don't get me wrong I prefer Silva over Sonnen but that fight was closer than the second round finish would suggest.
There won't be a rematch. Neither Silva nor Sonnen will be interested in that. This fight put to rest any belief that they're anywhere near an even matchup. After all the trash talking, Sonnen's ego will be too badly bruised to show himself in the octagon with Silva again.
Sonnen would get KO'd in the first round anyway.
Sonnen would get KO'd in the first round anyway.
Looking ath their two fights. I think Sonnen had more than just a slim chance of winning.
Chael's mistake was swinging for the fences with a spinning backfist. After dominating round 1 I would have suggested that he fight a little more conservatively knowing that Silva is going to have to be aggressive to win the round or finish via ko or sub. Chael should have bided his time and looked for a chance for a takedown and continue the ground and pound.
And all that "come over for a bbq" shit. That was over the top especially considering all the trash talk before the fight. Not to mention it's easy to be gracious when you win. Would Silva have said that stuff if he lost? Who knows.
Don't get me wrong I prefer Silva over Sonnen but that fight was closer than the second round finish would suggest.
The fight was not close. Just like Sonnen got lucky for 4 rounds in the first fight, Sonnen got lucky in the first round in this fight. Luck poses no serious threat to talent.
Sonnen's "mistake" is part and parcel of the kind of fighter that he is - he isn't one. He's a wrestler slash brawler. Look at his record. How dominant has he been in his career? He makes poor decisions all the time and loses fights because of it. Silva is so vastly superior that he capitalizes on those decisions much faster. Look at Sonnen's cheating by taking steroids. The man wasn't good enough to get 15 minutes of glory when he had the deck stacked in his favor - juiced up and an opponent with a rib injury. He hit Silva 250+ times in the first fight and was unable to KO or submit him. That's fail on a massive scale.
Looking ath their two fights. I think Sonnen had more than just a slim chance of winning.
Chael's mistake was swinging for the fences with a spinning backfist. After dominating round 1 I would have suggested that he fight a little more conservatively knowing that Silva is going to have to be aggressive to win the round or finish via ko or sub. Chael should have bided his time and looked for a chance for a takedown and continue the ground and pound.
And all that "come over for a bbq" shit. That was over the top especially considering all the trash talk before the fight. Not to mention it's easy to be gracious when you win. Would Silva have said that stuff if he lost? Who knows.
Don't get me wrong I prefer Silva over Sonnen but that fight was closer than the second round finish would suggest.
I think this fight clearly showed the rib injury effected Silva's performance in the first fight....
This time out - when Silva was on the ground he tried hipping out and being active in the guard...When he couldn't he smothered any offense that Sonnen tried to mount.....Without a rib injury it's a lot easier to take punches to the ribs and Silva didn't have to expose himself needlessly (to avoid the pain of getting hit in the rib)....
The backfist may have been a mistake but its a bigger mistake to wait and bide your time with Silva because that's when he gets his rhythm and start picking you apart....
A few accurate punches to the head or kicks to the leg and Chael wouldn't be able to move much less go for an effective takedown....
A couple of notes on the Silva / Sonnen fight....
Silva kind of blatantly cheated by pulling Sonnen's shorts up....
Not a huge factor in the fight but it was kind of funny to see ...
And when Sonnen was on his ass he looked like a deer in headlights....
He completely froze before he took that massive knee to the chest...
Silva kind of blatantly cheated by pulling Sonnen's shorts up....
Not a huge factor in the fight but it was kind of funny to see ...
And when Sonnen was on his ass he looked like a deer in headlights....
He completely froze before he took that massive knee to the chest...
Main Card
Silva vs Sonnen....I ain't buying the injury excuse that the Silva camp likes to pull in reference to the last fight. Most of these guys are fighting with more than their share of injuries. And if it is that bad then pull out of the fight. Sonnen is a southpaw wrestler that comes straight ahead. This is Anderson's weakness as he doesn't fare to well backing up. The question is who has adapted to the others style since the last time they engaged. I'm hoping that Chael can duplicate his success he fond in the first encounter.
Griffin vs Ortiz.....Ortiz runs out of gas in the 3rd round and gets decisioned.
Le vs Cote.......Cote weathers an early storm and comes back KO the retiring Le.
Kim vs Maia...........Kim with a lot of ground and pound.
Mendes vs McKenzie......Cody is way in over his head in this one and it will show. Sometimes being nuts can be a bad thing.
-Griffin wins by decision-I thought the fight was good. I was pulling for Ortiz as underdog, but he was gassed after the 1st round and took some good shots to the head. Very one sided, with Ortiz taking down Forest once for over a minute or so. It was nice to see Forest interview Tito after the fight. I was at a bar to watch it, so missed most of what was being said. I think Forest asked for Tito's shirt and he gave it to him.
Griffin left the cage after the fight, before the decision was announced. I thought he was mad or something like when he fought Silva. Why did he leave the cage?
-Kim lost with a rib injury. A weird thing to see.
-Cody McKenzie lost with a belly shot. I think it knocked the wind out of him and then Mendes made the ref stop it with head shots on the ground. The second fight stopped quickly in the 1st round. I wanted to see Cody get another choke-out. It was amazing to see him slip in the win with those other guys.
-Silva wins. The bar erupted with shouting when Sonnen took him down in the first. I think GG2 said it best-Chael should have played it conservatively, not going for a wild shot, slipping in the process. I thought Silva had kneed him in the HEAD when he was on the ground, but I guess it was in the chest. I wanted Sonnen to win.
I want to see some balanced matches with Silva. It's like Ali.
-Silva vs. Fedor? Just to see it.
The fight was not close. Just like Sonnen got lucky for 4 rounds in the first fight, Sonnen got lucky in the first round in this fight. Luck poses no serious threat to talent.
Sonnen's "mistake" is part and parcel of the kind of fighter that he is - he isn't one. He's a wrestler slash brawler. Look at his record. How dominant has he been in his career? He makes poor decisions all the time and loses fights because of it. Silva is so vastly superior that he capitalizes on those decisions much faster. Look at Sonnen's cheating by taking steroids. The man wasn't good enough to get 15 minutes of glory when he had the deck stacked in his favor - juiced up and an opponent with a rib injury. He hit Silva 250+ times in the first fight and was unable to KO or submit him. That's fail on a massive scale.
I agree Silva is a better fighter.
But you don't get lucky and last 4 rounds with Silva in fight one.
And you don't get lucky and control the entire first round pretty much from the start.
Silva is the better fighter but I get the sense that people are not giving any credit to Chael. Only two other fighter have gone 5 rounds with Silva. Only 5 other matches went 3 rounds. In other words only 8 out of 32 fights when 3 or more rounds. So to not be one of the 24 guys that didn't make it past round 2 suggests that he is at least a decent fighter.
For the record I think Chael is an ass and I am not a fan. But I think he's not just some bum.
Edit he was one of the 24 bums that didn't make it to round three or more.
I knew this fight wouldnt go past 3rds. I actually thought that Spider would break his jaw by the end of the 2nd and drag the fight out and KO him at the end of the 3rd.
The 1st fight Spider had the rib injury and didnt have his normal explosive style plus Cheal was roided up and extra strong.
IMO Spider played with him and was looking to take him apart bit by bit and make him suffer.
Like I told all my friends. Cheal on his BEST night jacked up couldnt beat Spider on his WORST night with a rib injury so what makes people think that Cheal off the juice could beat a healthy, motivated and pissed-off Spider?
Spider is the G.O.A.T
The 1st fight Spider had the rib injury and didnt have his normal explosive style plus Cheal was roided up and extra strong.
IMO Spider played with him and was looking to take him apart bit by bit and make him suffer.
Like I told all my friends. Cheal on his BEST night jacked up couldnt beat Spider on his WORST night with a rib injury so what makes people think that Cheal off the juice could beat a healthy, motivated and pissed-off Spider?
Spider is the G.O.A.T
Err, that was not luck. Sonnen won that first round on skill and technique.The fight was not close. Just like Sonnen got lucky for 4 rounds in the first fight, Sonnen got lucky in the first round in this fight. Luck poses no serious threat to talent
But I still think Silva wouldve won the fight regardless
It was definitely entertaining. It was the best matchup in the middleweight division in a long while. Don't think Silva is vastly superior striker than Chael. Chael is definitely the better wrestler and gotta give Anderson the edge in Mu Tai and Jiujitsu. I went out late and drove to 1 bar that was at capacity. Got on the phone and called 3 others, then drove to 2 others before finding the back room at the Pro Cafe showing the fight off the internet. It was definitely the biggest fight in a very long time.
I went in thinking it could end either way. No fighter is vastly superior to the other. Its your typical MMA contrast of different styles. Silva came out on top again. There is always some luck involved. I'd rather be lucky than good. No disputing Silvas record though. It can't be all luck. He's blessed with superior DNA for his weight class...and he has the mental toughness and strength to persevere over the years against many styled fighters. The next most successful champion is Matt Hughes and wrestlers like Hughes and Sonnen have had great success in the MMA game. Its not easy for a striker to persevere as champion for so long. Chuck Liddell being another.
I went in thinking it could end either way. No fighter is vastly superior to the other. Its your typical MMA contrast of different styles. Silva came out on top again. There is always some luck involved. I'd rather be lucky than good. No disputing Silvas record though. It can't be all luck. He's blessed with superior DNA for his weight class...and he has the mental toughness and strength to persevere over the years against many styled fighters. The next most successful champion is Matt Hughes and wrestlers like Hughes and Sonnen have had great success in the MMA game. Its not easy for a striker to persevere as champion for so long. Chuck Liddell being another.
Just watched the replay again. Spider is in another universe compared to Chael in skills. Chael's ONLY chance of winning is to lay on Spider and G&P which isn't gunna work now that Spiders healthy and so active on his back.
As for people saying that Chael slipped and that's why he lost? The reason that he slipped was because..
A) He's not a good striker and when pressured the true non-striking wrester came out swigging wildly hoping/praying for an connection with no technique.
B) He felt Spiders power and speed and didn't want any part of it so when pressed in stand up he went into 100% defense mode trying jus to cover up ala Brock Lesner. Just like Lesner zero striking technique so they fall down and take the dive..
At 8:25 of the 2nd rd Anderson doesn't even hit Chael but yet he dives on the ground and balls up, he basically gave up.lol
This fight was not even close, different league. Chael choked.
As for people saying that Chael slipped and that's why he lost? The reason that he slipped was because..
A) He's not a good striker and when pressured the true non-striking wrester came out swigging wildly hoping/praying for an connection with no technique.
B) He felt Spiders power and speed and didn't want any part of it so when pressed in stand up he went into 100% defense mode trying jus to cover up ala Brock Lesner. Just like Lesner zero striking technique so they fall down and take the dive..
At 8:25 of the 2nd rd Anderson doesn't even hit Chael but yet he dives on the ground and balls up, he basically gave up.lol
This fight was not even close, different league. Chael choked.
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I hate Sonnen, but this is kinda funny
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/video/player/mma/UFC/29883535#mma/UFC/29883535
Fuck, is that ever funny.
I hated this guy too, but this gives you another perspective on his behaviour.
This guy's a natural.
I thought Silva was just going to destroy Sonnen in round one...the way that Sonnen dominated position in round one was impressive (even if he is a jackass it was perfectly executed strategy).
What Sonnen's five dominant rounds (four in fight one and one last night) have actually made me interested in a GSP vs Silva fight and Sonnen success may have got GSP's attention. Essentially when Sonnen was doing well he was doing the 'boring' GSP take down and control game plan. Don't get me wrong GSP would need to seriously bulk to get the extra 15 pounds of muscle and his chin would always be suspect as he came in for the takedowns but he may actually have the perfect style to get a decision victory over Silva. I never thought GSP would seriously want to fight Silva but Sonnen may have given him the confidence to think he could win and cement his legacy once and for all.
What Sonnen's five dominant rounds (four in fight one and one last night) have actually made me interested in a GSP vs Silva fight and Sonnen success may have got GSP's attention. Essentially when Sonnen was doing well he was doing the 'boring' GSP take down and control game plan. Don't get me wrong GSP would need to seriously bulk to get the extra 15 pounds of muscle and his chin would always be suspect as he came in for the takedowns but he may actually have the perfect style to get a decision victory over Silva. I never thought GSP would seriously want to fight Silva but Sonnen may have given him the confidence to think he could win and cement his legacy once and for all.
Don't think Silva is vastly superior striker than Chael. Chael is definitely the better wrestler and gotta give Anderson the edge in Mu Tai and Jiujitsu. No fighter is vastly superior to the other. Its your typical MMA contrast of different styles. Silva came out on top again. There is always some luck involved. I'd rather be lucky than good. No disputing Silvas record though.
Silva is a vastly superior striker. Chael is so poor at striking that Silva had both his hands down and was toying with him in the 2nd round. He knew he didn't have to guard his face, Chael is so slow that Silva could easily duck and weave around his strikes. Chael is a good wrestler, and nothing more. There is no luck involved - Silva is lightyears beyond Chael.
I thought Silva was just going to destroy Sonnen in round one...the way that Sonnen dominated position in round one was impressive (even if he is a jackass it was perfectly executed strategy).
What Sonnen's five dominant rounds (four in fight one and one last night) have actually made me interested in a GSP vs Silva fight and Sonnen success may have got GSP's attention. Essentially when Sonnen was doing well he was doing the 'boring' GSP take down and control game plan. Don't get me wrong GSP would need to seriously bulk to get the extra 15 pounds of muscle and his chin would always be suspect as he came in for the takedowns but he may actually have the perfect style to get a decision victory over Silva. I never thought GSP would seriously want to fight Silva but Sonnen may have given him the confidence to think he could win and cement his legacy once and for all.
That's a fight that will never happen, and GSP wouldn't stand a chance. Likewise a Silva vs Jones fight will never happen, and Jones would defeat Silva.
That's a fight that will never happen, and GSP wouldn't stand a chance. Likewise a Silva vs Jones fight will never happen, and Jones would defeat Silva.
Says you.
What? You have a crystal ball and can tell the future?
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