U.S. Doublespeak on Palestine

[fuji]

Another Israeli chicken and egg argument. Utter rubbish. Israel wants the missile attacks to continue so it can keep playing the victim. That is why they handed Gaza to Hamas instead of supporting Fatah who was their official partner for peace.

Bullshit conspiracy theory nonsense that exists nowhere but in your own hate fantasy.

Israel IS the victim of Hamas and Islamic Jihad attacks. It isn't "playing" those rockets and bus bombs are real.

Your denying it is just the latest bullshit denial in a long list of bigoted denials of war crimes committed against Jews.

 

[basketcase]

No .. that 'idiot' looks into the WHY of the attacks.....

Yes, the why is a very good reason. Hamas in their own words is attacking Israel because they want to destroy Israel and they openly admit they see civilians as fair game. This was also the official stance of the PLO for decades and the stated goals of the Arab leadership before that. On the other hand, Israel attacks Hamas because Hamas is firing rockets indiscriminately at the Israeli population.

I totally get the frustration of the Palestinian people but even you would have to admit that the Palestinian leadership bears a huge responsibility for the suffering of the Palestinians. Simply comparing the conditions in the West Bank (despite the corruption of Fatah) to Gaza where Hamas policies have created a continual war zone.

 

[basketcase]

Its Israel that fires more rockets and kills more civilians.
Even now.
...?

Not amazed that as usual you ignore the Palestinian rocket attacks (war crimes according to every human rights groups) and only choose to focus on Israeli responses.

And pretty ballsy that after all the times you have defended the war crime Palestinian rockets you try and portray any moral high ground.

 

[basketcase]

Another Israeli chicken and egg argument.....

So in your mind, what justified the continual Arab/Palestinian attacks on Israelis/Jews from 1919 until 1967?

 

[nottyboi]

So in your mind, what justified the continual Arab/Palestinian attacks on Israelis/Jews from 1919 until 1967?

The continual Jewish/Israeli attacks on the Arabs of course!!!

 

[Frankfooter]

Not amazed that as usual you ignore the Palestinian rocket attacks (war crimes according to every human rights groups) and only choose to focus on Israeli responses.

And pretty ballsy that after all the times you have defended the war crime Palestinian rockets you try and portray any moral high ground.

You are the one that is trying to ignore the fact that Israel attacked Gaza 696 times since their last major slaughter of civilians in 2014.
Sure there have been rockets from Gaza, but not 696 of them, which means that Israel is the larger aggressor.

Why do you ignore this?
Why do you accept Israel attacking Gaza again and again?

 

[basketcase]

The continual Jewish/Israeli attacks on the Arabs of course!!!

Holy fuck your view of history is pathetic.

Do you want to try actually answering the question or are you going to continue with your farcical evasion?

 

[basketcase]

You are the one that is trying to ignore the fact that Israel attacked Gaza 696 times since their last major slaughter of civilians in 2014.
Sure there have been rockets from Gaza, but not 696 of them, which means that Israel is the larger aggressor.

Why do you ignore this?
Why do you accept Israel attacking Gaza again and again?

You obviously have no knowledge of what the word 'aggressor' means.

Hamas (and other Palestinian factions) trying to destroy Israel is aggression. Israel striking back at rocket launch facilities or Hamas camps is not.

And the Palestinian rockets are well documented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2015
Care to post the details and DATES of Israel's strikes as a comparison? What are the odds that if you found a source that actually detailed them, they would show a clear pattern of Israel striking in response to Palestinian attacks.

Why do you continue to justify the rocket attacks that the UN, Amnesty, HRW, and everyone else clearly and inexcusably call war crimes?

 

[IM469]

I totally get the frustration of the Palestinian people but even you would have to admit that the Palestinian leadership bears a huge responsibility for the suffering of the Palestinians. Simply comparing the conditions in the West Bank (despite the corruption of Fatah) to Gaza where Hamas policies have created a continual war zone.

When frustration continues without resolution, radicals will walk in. It was the reason for the French revolution, the russian revolution, the Nazi, and many others. The Israelis are still there ... every family has lost family members and nothing has changed with the exceptoion of more illegal settlements. Radicals send missiles from your backyard and your house is destroyed. The fanatics successfully goad Israel into reprisal strikes and this actually strengthens the lunatics hold over a disparate population.

 

[basketcase]

When frustration continues without resolution, radicals will walk in. It was the reason for the French revolution, the russian revolution, the Nazi, and many others. The Israelis are still there ... every family has lost family members and nothing has changed with the exceptoion of more illegal settlements. Radicals send missiles from your backyard and your house is destroyed. The fanatics successfully goad Israel into reprisal strikes and this actually strengthens the lunatics hold over a disparate population.

The lack of resolution is because the Palestinian leaders in the 1920's were the radicals, the leadership of the Arab states in 1948 were the radicals, the PLO in the 60's were the radicals, Hamas currently are the radicals; radicals who managed to win a majority in the Palestinian legislature. The problem is the 'radicals' have always been there and they represent a significant proportion of Palestinian society; hardly what we would consider radical.

 

[nottyboi]

Holy fuck your view of history is pathetic.

Do you want to try actually answering the question or are you going to continue with your farcical evasion?

They started the 6 day war... WTF. as for fiction, here is a list of attacks by both sides... PLEASE no one believes you rubbish:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine

 

[Frankfooter]

You obviously have no knowledge of what the word 'aggressor' means.

Hamas (and other Palestinian factions) trying to destroy Israel is aggression. ?

No, the settlements are aggression.
That is stealing land by force, that's aggression.

Hamas and the PA are trying to defend what is left of their country, which gets smaller every year.
Even you think they should give up big chunks of it in exchange for spots in the desert.

Israel is bombing and attacking in what the world calls Palestine, that's aggression, not defence.

 

[fuji]

No, the settlements are aggression.
That is stealing land by force, that's aggression.

Hamas and the PA are trying to defend what is left of their country, which gets smaller every year.
Even you think they should give up big chunks of it in exchange for spots in the desert.

Israel is bombing and attacking in what the world calls Palestine, that's aggression, not defence.

Lies and bullshit from the pathological liar who lied and said the UN called Israel even after you were shown definitive proof that the rapporteurs are not the UN.

Here you are justifying racist violence against Jews by telling hate lies.

You are without ethics. You will tell any lie to further your hate.

 

[fuji]

You are the one that is trying to ignore the fact that Israel attacked Gaza 696 times since their last major slaughter of civilians in 2014.
Sure there have been rockets from Gaza, but not 696 of them, which means that Israel is the larger aggressor.

Why do you ignore this?
Why do you accept Israel attacking Gaza again and again?

Israel attacked the terrorists firing the rockets, the terrorists you defend attacked civilians.

 

[basketcase]

They started the 6 day war... WTF. as for fiction, here is a list of attacks by both sides... PLEASE no one believes you rubbish:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine

Yep. Try looking at the escalations in terms of dates. It's pretty clear the progression. Haganah formed in response to Arab attacks. Jewish terror groups like Irgun formed in response to the Arab attacks. Israeli gains in 1949 after Arab attacks and this continues till today with IDF strikes on Hamas targets in response to Gaza rocket fire.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4706955,00.html

 

[basketcase]

No, the settlements are aggression.
That is stealing land by force, that's aggression.
....

Ignoring the fact that the increase in settlements has been taking place INSIDE the existing settlements. Olmert offered a deal with land swaps in compliance with the the Arab plan and Abbas walked away.

Of course the laughable part of your claims is you consider Jews buying land in Palestine or living in settlements to be aggression yet actual attacks by Palestinians (like the 4 random Israelis murdered in the past couple days) to be justifiable.


p.s Once again Hamas has praised the murders of random Jews
http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-members-arrests-in-henkin-murders-honorable-for-us/

 

[danmand]

Ignoring the fact that the increase in settlements has been taking place INSIDE the existing settlements. Olmert offered a deal with land swaps in compliance with the the Arab plan and Abbas walked away.

Of course the laughable part of your claims is you consider Jews buying land in Palestine or living in settlements to be aggression yet actual attacks by Palestinians (like the 4 random Israelis murdered in the past couple days) to be justifiable.


p.s Once again Hamas has praised the murders of random Jews
http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-members-arrests-in-henkin-murders-honorable-for-us/

Stop your nonsense.

The international community considers the settlements in occupied territory to be illegal,[8] and the United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention

 

[basketcase]

Stop your nonsense.

The international community considers the settlements in occupied territory to be illegal,[8] and the United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention

So are you actually going to refute anything I posted or are you just going to continue blathering on?

The vast, vast, majority of the expansion is inside existing settlements. Olmert offered a good deal with land swaps. The Arab league supports the idea of land swaps. And building houses is an insignificant issue compared to both Palestinian governments praising the murder of random Jews.


Fact is that Olmert made an offer in line with the Saudi Initiative and Abbas never even bothered discussing it just like he is ignoring current Israeli pushes for peace talks while his party and Hamas are pushing for violence as a means of progress.

 

[Frankfooter]

The vast, vast, majority of the expansion is inside existing settlements.

And they are all illegal, war crimes according to the Geneva Conventions.

Palestinians shouldn't negotiate to trade good settlement land for desert land anymore, they should wait and get the ICC involved.

 

[danmand]

So are you actually going to refute anything I posted or are you just going to continue blathering on?

The vast, vast, majority of the expansion is inside existing settlements. Olmert offered a good deal with land swaps. The Arab league supports the idea of land swaps. And building houses is an insignificant issue compared to both Palestinian governments praising the murder of random Jews.


Fact is that Olmert made an offer in line with the Saudi Initiative and Abbas never even bothered discussing it just like he is ignoring current Israeli pushes for peace talks while his party and Hamas are pushing for violence as a means of progress.

ALL the settlements are illegal. Have always been illegal.