Re: eeeeh ghaaaad
jwm/vvv
Actually Poolie, I have changed. A little easier going these days!pool said:
jwm/vvv
T'was the night before Christmas...
- Thread starter Goober Mcfly
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Song for Goober
Rage Against The Machine Bullet In The Head lyrics
This time the bullet cold rocked ya
A yellow ribbon instead of a swastika
Nothin' proper about ya propaganda
Fools follow the rules when the set commands ya
They said it was blue
When the blood was red
That's is how you got a bullet blasted through your head
Blasted through your head
Blasted through your head
I give a shout out to the living dead
Who stood and watched at the feds cold centralized
So serene on the screen
You was mesmerized
Cellular phones soundin' a death tone
Corporations cold
Turn ya to stone before you realize
They load the clip in omnicolor
They pack the 9, they fire it at prime time
Sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz
And mutha fuckas lost their minds
Just victims of the in - house drive - by
They say jump, you say how high
They load the clip in omnicolor
They pack the 9, they fire it at prime time
Sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz
And mutha fuckas lost their minds
No escape from the mass mind rape
Play it again jack and then rewind the tape
Play it again and again and again
Until ya mind is locked in
Believin' all the lies that they are tellin' ya
Buying all the products that they are selling ya
They say jump
Ya say how high
Ya brain dead
Ya gotta fuckin' bullet in your head
Just victims of the in - house drive - by
They say jump, you say how high
Ya standin' in line
Believin' the lies
Ya bowin' down to the flag
Ya got a fuckin' bullet in ya head
PS Goober - Can you dig it?
Rage Against The Machine Bullet In The Head lyrics
This time the bullet cold rocked ya
A yellow ribbon instead of a swastika
Nothin' proper about ya propaganda
Fools follow the rules when the set commands ya
They said it was blue
When the blood was red
That's is how you got a bullet blasted through your head
Blasted through your head
Blasted through your head
I give a shout out to the living dead
Who stood and watched at the feds cold centralized
So serene on the screen
You was mesmerized
Cellular phones soundin' a death tone
Corporations cold
Turn ya to stone before you realize
They load the clip in omnicolor
They pack the 9, they fire it at prime time
Sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz
And mutha fuckas lost their minds
Just victims of the in - house drive - by
They say jump, you say how high
They load the clip in omnicolor
They pack the 9, they fire it at prime time
Sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz
And mutha fuckas lost their minds
No escape from the mass mind rape
Play it again jack and then rewind the tape
Play it again and again and again
Until ya mind is locked in
Believin' all the lies that they are tellin' ya
Buying all the products that they are selling ya
They say jump
Ya say how high
Ya brain dead
Ya gotta fuckin' bullet in your head
Just victims of the in - house drive - by
They say jump, you say how high
Ya standin' in line
Believin' the lies
Ya bowin' down to the flag
Ya got a fuckin' bullet in ya head
PS Goober - Can you dig it?
Tell that to the soldiers : (
As much as I like the song Picky so thoughtfully submitted, the reality is that there are soldiers out there, regardless of their individual motives. Some may be misguided as to why they are there, in which case in a sense they are innocents. I'd better stop there before I set VVV off again. I think Detenebrator summed it up pretty well.
yeah...on the other hand, fighting for freedom is one thing, using freedom as a platitude to excuse violence is quite another...and unfortunately soldiers get involved in both kinds of situations.Quest4Less said:
It's never really cut and dry or simple. And it's always full of lies....
You are right, and that's always the tragedy. A folky friend of mine wrote a song years ago called 'It's the Innocent that Pay". Be it the majority of Iraqis today or the many rank and file soldiers who invaded their country believing they were fighting for a higher cause and are dying there now at the hands of people they thought they were liberating....both sides are suffering for the gain of a few others.pool said:
the soldiers are not to blame for the most part however...we also have to remember that many of them chose a career in the military. Some because they believed in the concept of defending freedom, home and heartland. Others because they are drawn to war as a game. That's a reality too...
OK, I felt I needed to interject here, and feel free to beat me over the head all you like lol.
First of all Goober, great post. We as Canadians spend far too much time marginalizing the efforts of our soldiers with snide comments about our military in general. The fact of the matter is that, inspite of the substandard equipment that they are provided with, they are some of the highest performing soldiers in the world. They, like so many other jobs (LE included) are in unenviable positions (positions that they chose but none the less unenviable) and they should be shown the appreciation for their efforts
I think that as a society we need to abstract the soldier from the military establishment that they serve (in spite of whether you agree with the goals and objectives of that establishment)
A lot of people talk about Canada's rich military heritage and I tend to always disagree with them. Canada's Military heritage is an embarrassment. What we as Canadians should be proud of is the jobs that our soldiers have done throughout history inspite of an inept military establishment. From WWI through to present day our government has continually enlisted the aide of our young citizens and repeatedly put them in harms way and then abandoned them. Despite the government's own personal agendas our soldiers have repeatedly risen to the occasion. In WWI our soldiers were forced, under threat of being tried for treason, to carry and use the Ross Rifle. This Rifle was coincidentally manufactured by a company owned by a relative of our then minister of defence. Even though this rifle had a tendancy to jam and in some cases blow up in the faces of our men, our soldiers were recognized as one of the finest fighting forces in the conflict and their role was crucial in winning campaigns like Vimy and Pachendale.
In WWII, facing opposition to the draft at home, our government, for political gain, sent our soldiers to die on the beaches of Dieppe fully knowing that it would be a slaughter and, again, in spite of our government our soldiers rose above it all and became critical linch pins in freeing countries like the Netherlands.
Today, our government has our soldiers living in virtual poverty conditions at home and provides them with equipment that is not only inadequate but downright dangerous. Even the US was more keen to acknowledge our military efforts in operation Anaconda in Afaganistan than our own government was.
It legitimately saddens me when other countries recognise the accomplishments of our fighting men and women more than we do. Every November 11th I go to Remembrance day cerimonies (and I'm only in my mid 30s) and I see the woeful turn out and it upsets me. I was fortunate enough to be in Belgium one Nov 11 and went to Ypres to see the daily ceremony. I would suggest that ever single Canadian who has the opportunity to visit the battlefields of WWI or WWII (specifically Normandy) to do so. The people there don't remember only on Nov 11th...they remember every day of the year. The ceremony will truly bring tears to your eyes. The sad part is, more people show up every single day there than show up to the annual Remembrance Day cerimonies here.
People in the Netherlands appreciate not only our soldiers but our entire country more than we do. If anybody ever gets the chance to go to Arnhem you will find that, upon finding out that you are Canadian, the Dutch citizens, who are normally quite reserved and not openly social, will invite you to dinner and be so kind and gracious to you that it will truly move you. Each and every Canadian that is a recipiant of that graciousness has a single group of people to thank for the kindness that they are receiving. That group are the Canadian men and womenthat fought and lived and died to liberate these foriegn lands.
JWM I respect your right to your opinion but, having, at numerous times, been a personal recipient of the legacy of welcome and kindness that the Canadian men and women that fought and died in the wars of the world earned for our country, I cannot agree with it. Having accepted that hospitality earned for me by the blood and pain of others I would be a hypocrit to feel any other way.
Although we can all provide comment and opinion, unless we have actually walked in their shoes. I believe that the only comment from any of us that has any credibiltity would be a respectful thank you or an introspective silence.
First of all Goober, great post. We as Canadians spend far too much time marginalizing the efforts of our soldiers with snide comments about our military in general. The fact of the matter is that, inspite of the substandard equipment that they are provided with, they are some of the highest performing soldiers in the world. They, like so many other jobs (LE included) are in unenviable positions (positions that they chose but none the less unenviable) and they should be shown the appreciation for their efforts
I think that as a society we need to abstract the soldier from the military establishment that they serve (in spite of whether you agree with the goals and objectives of that establishment)
A lot of people talk about Canada's rich military heritage and I tend to always disagree with them. Canada's Military heritage is an embarrassment. What we as Canadians should be proud of is the jobs that our soldiers have done throughout history inspite of an inept military establishment. From WWI through to present day our government has continually enlisted the aide of our young citizens and repeatedly put them in harms way and then abandoned them. Despite the government's own personal agendas our soldiers have repeatedly risen to the occasion. In WWI our soldiers were forced, under threat of being tried for treason, to carry and use the Ross Rifle. This Rifle was coincidentally manufactured by a company owned by a relative of our then minister of defence. Even though this rifle had a tendancy to jam and in some cases blow up in the faces of our men, our soldiers were recognized as one of the finest fighting forces in the conflict and their role was crucial in winning campaigns like Vimy and Pachendale.
In WWII, facing opposition to the draft at home, our government, for political gain, sent our soldiers to die on the beaches of Dieppe fully knowing that it would be a slaughter and, again, in spite of our government our soldiers rose above it all and became critical linch pins in freeing countries like the Netherlands.
Today, our government has our soldiers living in virtual poverty conditions at home and provides them with equipment that is not only inadequate but downright dangerous. Even the US was more keen to acknowledge our military efforts in operation Anaconda in Afaganistan than our own government was.
It legitimately saddens me when other countries recognise the accomplishments of our fighting men and women more than we do. Every November 11th I go to Remembrance day cerimonies (and I'm only in my mid 30s) and I see the woeful turn out and it upsets me. I was fortunate enough to be in Belgium one Nov 11 and went to Ypres to see the daily ceremony. I would suggest that ever single Canadian who has the opportunity to visit the battlefields of WWI or WWII (specifically Normandy) to do so. The people there don't remember only on Nov 11th...they remember every day of the year. The ceremony will truly bring tears to your eyes. The sad part is, more people show up every single day there than show up to the annual Remembrance Day cerimonies here.
People in the Netherlands appreciate not only our soldiers but our entire country more than we do. If anybody ever gets the chance to go to Arnhem you will find that, upon finding out that you are Canadian, the Dutch citizens, who are normally quite reserved and not openly social, will invite you to dinner and be so kind and gracious to you that it will truly move you. Each and every Canadian that is a recipiant of that graciousness has a single group of people to thank for the kindness that they are receiving. That group are the Canadian men and womenthat fought and lived and died to liberate these foriegn lands.
JWM I respect your right to your opinion but, having, at numerous times, been a personal recipient of the legacy of welcome and kindness that the Canadian men and women that fought and died in the wars of the world earned for our country, I cannot agree with it. Having accepted that hospitality earned for me by the blood and pain of others I would be a hypocrit to feel any other way.
Although we can all provide comment and opinion, unless we have actually walked in their shoes. I believe that the only comment from any of us that has any credibiltity would be a respectful thank you or an introspective silence.
Amen to that, Galt. And thanks for a moving post, Goob. Hard to sit here and imagine giving up the most precious thing I own -- my time on earth. And I can sit here and contemplate that because many brave Canadians and allies did just that.galt said:
The US military.
PS – I think we are on the same page.
Hey Poolie, when I said the US military, I meant the organization that the soldiers are collectively fighting under. That organization's sole purpose is to line the pockets of corporate America with private military contracts realized through stock options. While the soldiers may believe the sentiment they are fighting for, it doesn't change the fact that the US military is flying under a false flag, and it is sickening to hear people act like sheep and recant the same opportunistic bullshit over and over again, all the while unwittingly advancing the cause of corporate America at the expense of the soldiers (pawns) on both sides.pool said:
PS – I think we are on the same page.
Re: Re: Thank you...
Maybe a does of reality will make you change that cynical mind of yours. I will tell you a story....
My brother in law served in Afganistan and was on duty the night our 4 lads were bombed by the American Pilot. He was dispatched from Kandahar airport to go the training area to find out what happened and provide armour cover as at this time they didn't know what had happened. After getting to the training area and getting out of his Coyote he was set up as part of a search team. After a few minutes of walking along the sand he heard a squishing sound....funny he thought to himself, it hadn't rained for weeks. Edited = as per request.
So, maybe you will take back what you said and realize that we should be thankful for what our soldiers do for us!
jwmorrice said:Hmm, 'guardian of honour', 'thin blue line', 'blackboard jungle', yada, yada, yada. <wipes away the tears....of laughter> The cliches can just keep on coming. Maybe there's one for every damn profession except garbage men and strippers. Well here's a bloody big humbug to all that horse sh*t!
Oh, except for strippers: 'the thin pink thong'. I like strippers.
jwm
Maybe a does of reality will make you change that cynical mind of yours. I will tell you a story....
My brother in law served in Afganistan and was on duty the night our 4 lads were bombed by the American Pilot. He was dispatched from Kandahar airport to go the training area to find out what happened and provide armour cover as at this time they didn't know what had happened. After getting to the training area and getting out of his Coyote he was set up as part of a search team. After a few minutes of walking along the sand he heard a squishing sound....funny he thought to himself, it hadn't rained for weeks. Edited = as per request.
So, maybe you will take back what you said and realize that we should be thankful for what our soldiers do for us!
Yikes...scuba...I totally agree with your post and your brother has my sympathies. However, I'm wondering if it's such a good idea to impart this to the general public. Although I think it's important for the public to know what our soldiers go through I'm faced with the conflicting view that soldiers are not the only casualties of war. There are also the families that are left behind by the tragedy of the loss of soldiers.
I would find it very difficult if I were a friend of family member of any of the 4 that died in this tragic incident to happen across this post and get the detailed mental image of the state one of my loved ones may have been found in.
I am by no means a moderator but would it be possible for me to respectfully ask you to edit your post accordingly? Please understand, I don't ask this to offend, I only ask it to hopefully spare a family or friend the risk of additional pain in an already painful situation.
Thanks
I would find it very difficult if I were a friend of family member of any of the 4 that died in this tragic incident to happen across this post and get the detailed mental image of the state one of my loved ones may have been found in.
I am by no means a moderator but would it be possible for me to respectfully ask you to edit your post accordingly? Please understand, I don't ask this to offend, I only ask it to hopefully spare a family or friend the risk of additional pain in an already painful situation.
Thanks
galt: I respect your request, and I understand your concern, but I don't see a need to whitewash the horrors of war as told by scubadoo. Had he mentioned a name, I would edit it.
My condolences to the families of all those brave souls who have given their lives so we can enjoy the lives we live.
My condolences to the families of all those brave souls who have given their lives so we can enjoy the lives we live.
I don't know about others, but my imagination is filling in the blanks even worse than the original post.
But thanks, nonetheless scubadoo.
But thanks, nonetheless scubadoo.
Re: Re: Re: Thank you...
Your story doesn't change the fact that it's all horse shit. What is perhaps so tragic about the whole situation is that some soldiers risk their lives for nothing, believing in a cause (freedom) that is dear to them, but in reality has nothing to do with the situation and the underlying motivations for war. Corporate American sends these young men, some of whom believe in the lies that they think they're fighting for and others out of economic disadvantage, to their death for financial gain and nothing more. The Republicans (and Hollywood) leverage these "beautiful" idealized notions to further their net worth, and in the end what you have are a few rich old men made wealthy by the spilt blood of many innocents cut down in their prime.scubadoo said:
seven: I think you need to separate the politicians/leaders from the soldiers. The intent of my original post was to draw attention to the fact that there are thousands of Canadian soldiers around the world fighting for a cause. They have more courage than I have. I won't speculate about you.
This thread was about Canadian soldiers, not the war in Iraq. Right or wrong, the Canadian soldiers are in places in the world that need them right now. They are providing stability to regions that could be quite volatile if left to their own devices.
Yes, most of these skirmishes are quite remote from Canada, but all of them would affect us if they were to get out of hand. Perhaps the insulation you feel from these events is a direct result of the work of the Canadian forces. If that's true, there's your benefit.
For example, we don't have to live under the threat of imminent nuclear attack. People like you would be bitching and moaning for the government to do something if that threat were present. You seem like the type who would doubt and criticize anything the government or military would do, just for the sake of criticism.
Just remember that your freedom to criticize has come at great cost over the years.
This thread was about Canadian soldiers, not the war in Iraq. Right or wrong, the Canadian soldiers are in places in the world that need them right now. They are providing stability to regions that could be quite volatile if left to their own devices.
Yes, most of these skirmishes are quite remote from Canada, but all of them would affect us if they were to get out of hand. Perhaps the insulation you feel from these events is a direct result of the work of the Canadian forces. If that's true, there's your benefit.
For example, we don't have to live under the threat of imminent nuclear attack. People like you would be bitching and moaning for the government to do something if that threat were present. You seem like the type who would doubt and criticize anything the government or military would do, just for the sake of criticism.
Just remember that your freedom to criticize has come at great cost over the years.
