I know this question has probably been asked/discussed here, but with yesterday being Earth Day is it somewhat reasonable to believe that Toronto will expand the subway system in the future beyond what they want to do with the University line being extended to York University? Thanks!
TTC Subway Development
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EntertainmentMan2000 said:
The short of it...no!
$11billion has just been earmarked for Toronto just this past week.
Hopefully the province holds steadfast on their committment.
Other municipalites are asking 'what about us'.
Mississauga, Hamilton, Ottawa, etc. feel ripped off.
Unless the private sector suddenly becomes creative in making unprecedented proposals, no more money will be coming Toronto's way.
happy the man said:
Because of said high wage costs and the fact that the TTC loves to spend money foolishly (hence the sheppard subway to nowhere where if they'd put an above ground LRT it could have gone from Scarboro Town Centre to the airport) I wouldn't bet on any real expansion of the TTC system.
They are researching putting an LRT (at ground level) to the airport from union station and are meeting resistance from weston residents due to the increased rail traffic.
The only way that they'd ever be able to finance and make any expansion economically feasible is to get all those single 905 drivers out of their cars and onto the system. But that will be hard to do because so many love to sit idling in their vehicles for 2 - 3 hrs a day......
www.transitcity.ca
The Union / Pearson line is also going ahead, the designs of the new bridges are underway right now. The plan is to add a track to the CNR Weston Subdivision.
http://www.metrolinx.com/GSSE/default.aspx
The Union / Pearson line is also going ahead, the designs of the new bridges are underway right now. The plan is to add a track to the CNR Weston Subdivision.
http://www.metrolinx.com/GSSE/default.aspx
james t kirk said:
well I hope that they are planning on making it much better than the RT already in place because from what I remember it was very slow or out of service due to the weather.
Toronto doesn't particularly want the University extension, at least beyond YU. It's a pet project of York region pols, and has little or nothing to offer the city. What Toronto needs and wants are in-city mass transit lines like the Eglinton subway Harris had filled in.
Chances of getting any in an era of tax-cut-knee-jerks? Zero
Result: Giving up more and more surface roads to 'cheap' transit like streetcar/LRTs.
Oh Joy!
Chances of getting any in an era of tax-cut-knee-jerks? Zero
Result: Giving up more and more surface roads to 'cheap' transit like streetcar/LRTs.
Oh Joy!
oldjones said:
and an eglinton line would be THE place to put a rapid transit line but of course the powers that be won't look past the same old same old: surface or below ground. An elevated system like Chicago's or Vancouver's is very cost effective, nonintrusive to surface routes (or minimally) and works in all kinds of weather.
If the line from union to the airport isn't going to be operated by the ttc, is it CN? Greycoach? Or are they creating yet another company to handle it?
tboy said:
Here we go again. You're like a broken record with elevated this and that.
Elevated is not the way to go. It's very intrusive.
Subway all the way.
CN owns the Weston Subdivision from Union Station. Anyone can lease rights to operate on their tracks (GO, VIA, even CPR), however, CN crews will operate the trains (at 200 k per year).
tboy said:
The airport route was at last report a CN coproduction. There are plans for a series of LRT lines across the city notably on Eglinton and one probably connectiong across the north end of the city, finch ave possibly. The sheppard line was done at Mel Lastmans urging, it was probably the least effective line from a transit point of view but it had the advantage that MEl could sell increased densities along both sides of the street, as the condo developmnets show now. The original line was going to run across steeles butr he only got one side of the street, Finch and Eglinton are already to built up to maximize the development return without big headachs.
The stupid thing is they stopped the subway at Fairview, go anothe kilometer and you are into a very large industrial, business commercial area with lots of commuters..... oh well city of toronto politics , common sense the new oxymoron
Someday, Sheppard will stretch across the Don Valley. You watch. At one time, Bloor Street was farmland (and not that long ago)
I don't care if they build an LRT on Eglinton as long as they build the underground portion to be able to be converted to subways in the future.
I don't care if they build an LRT on Eglinton as long as they build the underground portion to be able to be converted to subways in the future.
The plans for the new Sheppard RT call for a subway link from Don Mills to Consumers to connect to the surface RT. It's being designed to make it easy to slowly convert the route from surface to subway as increased ridership cost justifies it.james t kirk said:
james t kirk said:
and you're NOT like a broken record with "subway subway subway" at 1.5 times the cost?
I'd rather have a system that works for less money than a system that doesn't for more.......
Sorry, but you kind of sound like those people that are "my way or nothing".......if they can't afford or raise the funds for a subway, an elevated route that they CAN raise the money for is 1000000000x better than the alternative.....
By the time you must have a subway, because you're built up so densely, and you population's so large, the cost of the disruption require to build, puts them out of reach.
But they don't rust and fall down, and get in the way of new development and have to be removed (and replace with something). And do we all love our elevated highway? Elevateds have all those failings. While subways continue to run in tunnels first dug long ago, elevateds with trendy names, get built, become obsolete and get demolished.
So you invest now in the best future you can, or cheap out and stay cheap for a long time to come.
But they don't rust and fall down, and get in the way of new development and have to be removed (and replace with something). And do we all love our elevated highway? Elevateds have all those failings. While subways continue to run in tunnels first dug long ago, elevateds with trendy names, get built, become obsolete and get demolished.
So you invest now in the best future you can, or cheap out and stay cheap for a long time to come.
oldjones said:
If you're referring to Chicago's EL it's been running for what, 50 yrs and was built with 1949 technology. The one in Florida has been running for 40 yrs without falling down.
Again, I say: a system that is operational now, when you need it, is far far far better than not having one at all......so subways are better. They cost 1.4 times as much and since no one can afford one, we don't get one OR we get surface LRTs like st clair that totally fuck up the street, the businesses ON the street, and any traffic that has to move along the street....yeah, that's the ticket!
A great example is the elevated system they put into pearson. That thing is a DREAM: quiet, energy efficient, and it went up in no time. If el's are so bad I highly doubt a private enterprise would buy one....
The thing is: people (especially torontonians) are SO wrapped up in the way things are that they can't look forward. Same goes for windmills. Oh they are SO ugly, I personally thing they are kinetic scultures and as for elevated transit lines, it's funny how if you ever see a designer's depiction of the future, all the images show elevated transportation systems....funny how that is.......
And not to mention the great success of our "elevated" Gardiner Expressway.
Built in the late 50's into the mid 60's.
Built in the late 50's into the mid 60's.
james t kirk said:And not to mention the great success of our "elevated" Gardiner Expressway.
Built in the late 50's into the mid 60's.
and it's still going strong. Imagine if it was built with today's technology? It'd probably last another 100 yrs easily........using an example of something built 40 yrs ago as a reason to not doing it now is asinine. If that were the case in other examples you'd be living without: cellphones, cordless drills, cars, trucks, anything made with titanium, etc etc etc
But would it be better to have all those cars that travel on the gardiner on lakeshore and queen st? It'd be (more of) a nightmare getting into and out of the city......
