Trump's "Art Of the Deal" by Prof. David Honig

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

What base skill sets do career politicans bring that rival the experience of a large company ceo.

There are several differences that disqualify a business approach to politics.
An understanding of constituents, public opinion and their core issues.
An understanding of how the political process works and the various players and their motivations in it.
An understanding of history, context, and complexities on various issues.
An understanding of diplomacy which is different than "deal making" or "contract negotiation".

 

[PeterParker1000]

I do not know why you want to discuss the merits of university professors, but we all have our wooden horses, as we say In Denmark, mine is lawyers.

Would it not be more productive to address the points professor Honig is making. I suspect you disagree with him. I am sure many of us would like to read your arguments against his points.

This does matter because a major problem in American Universities is the left leaning bias of people who work in higher academia. Even in our best academic institutions, students have been afraid to take a conservative or even slightly right of middle stance in class due to their grades being impacted. Universities have always been left leaning but it has gotten extreme just recently. We saw this bias in the cases regarding Jewish hate speech that prominent universities ignored. You can’t argue a source without looking up the sources background, which I did.

 

[shack]

Imagine trying to make teaching sound bad, and because of money?? Teaching is not something we invented in the modern era, and if you know something in your life nowadays, if you have a language you can write and understand, that's because people where taught that, and passed it on. If you think the act of teaching is bad because it doesn't make you money, you are stupid.

TBH, it's not actually a slight against teaching, it is a slight towards a person who is not skilled at their job.

Somebody might know everything that there is to know about carpentry but they are so clumsy with their hands that they can't actually perform the tasks that he knows so much about. Or maybe they developed Parkinson's so their hands shake too much. Or a surgeon because his eyesight goes bad. In those cases they can still teach others which is a valuable ability. Players in professional sports get too old to play at an elite level, so they become coaches, which is basically teaching.

As I said, it's not dissing teaching. It's stating that a person's doesn't have the physical skills to actually perform what they are experts of.

 

[shack]

That’s w

No it doesn’t equate but we are constantly evolving in geopolitics and coming up against new scenarios. It is a more connected, transactional, capitalistic world.

Why can’t we do politics in a similar way to business?

Because business and politics require vastly different skill sets. A lot of politics deals with diplomacy, relations between countries, making decisions that could result in wars and people skills which are much more nuanced than and important than what's required in business. Business is mainly about numbers. Of course there are overlaps but very few businessmen are good politicians and vice versa.

 

[danmand]

This does matter because a major problem in American Universities is the left leaning bias of people who work in higher academia. Even in our best academic institutions, students have been afraid to take a conservative or even slightly right of middle stance in class due to their grades being impacted. Universities have always been left leaning but it has gotten extreme just recently. We saw this bias in the cases regarding Jewish hate speech that prominent universities ignored. You can’t argue a source without looking up the sources background, which I did.

Fair enough, but it appears you got carried away by the background and forgot the source.

 

[PeterParker1000]

There are several differences that disqualify a business approach to politics.
An understanding of constituents, public opinion and their core issues.
An understanding of how the political process works and the various players and their motivations in it.
An understanding of history, context, and complexities on various issues.
An understanding of diplomacy which is different than "deal making" or "contract negotiation".

Let’s assume business people in this context are CEOs. They have to understand market dynamics, public opinion, their diverse workforce which may span multiple countries.

Political process can be learned. As in the case of Mitt Romney and Michael Bloomberg. They can delegate and get people with strong expertise.

I would argue that most business leaders have a better knowledge of how economic shifts have happened and can happen. I don’t think just general history and context provides much of a strength here.

Modern diplomacy in inherently economic. Trade agreements, international alliances, partnerships. This is all CEOs do.

For me the most important thing is results. In business if you don’t produce you get fired. Gavin Newsome taks his way out of massive economic and social failures because he knows how to be a slick politician and play the game. He would be fired immediately for negligence in a business. We need more people that are able to take accountability for not carrying through with their promises.

 

[PeterParker1000]

Fair enough, but it appears you got carried away by the background and forgot the source.

Point taken. Thanks for calling that out.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

They have to understand market dynamics, public opinion, their diverse workforce which may span multiple countries.

Understanding your industry, product, market segment, shareholder needs, customer needs is completely different from understanding actual issues people face.
A CEO isn't worried or has any understanding about a single mother working 3 jobs to make ends meet, or about social issues such as crime in a rough neighbourhood.
Nor do they understand how to do diplomacy with various countries or have the experience to work with people whose values may be diagonally opposed to yours.
The government doesn't exist to be efficient or turn a profit.
They exist to govern, provide services to millions of people to ensure quality of life often at the expense of profits and efficiency.

 

[Valcazar]

- HE SEES EVERY NEGOTIATION AS DISTRIBUTIVE.

A little overly-wonky for most people, yes, but not really new info.
Trump sees everything in terms of dominance and submission/winners and losers.

‘How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?'

Winston thought.
‘By making him suffer,' he said.

‘Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? '

 

[Valcazar]

Understanding your industry, product, market segment, shareholder needs, customer needs is completely different from understanding actual issues people face.
A CEO isn't worried or has any understanding about a single mother working 3 jobs to make ends meet, or about social issues such as crime in a rough neighbourhood.
Nor do they understand how to do diplomacy with various countries or have the experience to work with people whose values may be diagonally opposed to yours.
The government doesn't exist to be efficient or turn a profit.
They exist to govern, provide services to millions of people to ensure quality of life often at the expense of profits and efficiency.

There are CEOs and business people who can master both skills, and there are those who can't.
Just like people from lots of other backgrounds.

You can't look at a CEO and say "they can never be good at governing or politics".
Of course, only an idiot of monumental proportions would say "He is a businessman, therefore he should run the country."

 

[Mozo]

There are CEOs and business people who can master both skills, and there are those who can't.
Just like people from lots of other backgrounds.

You can't look at a CEO and say "they can never be good at governing or politics".
Of course, only an idiot of monumental proportions would say "He is a businessman, therefore he should run the country."

For anyone who wants to geek out on this and understand how the academic world can lead to intelligent (i.e. non-Trumpian) decision making in the real world here's the document for you.
It uses iterative game theory to prove (not speculate, but prove) that integrated bargaining is, in fact, the long-run profit maximizing for both sides in any bargaining position where iterative instances of bargaining will arise. This would describe all international trade relationships.

In fact, this article describes this theory in the context of trade and tariffs.

It could be argued that the reduction of tariffs and trade barriers generally has led to the greatest acceleration of global GDP in human history. Coinciding, of course, with the greatest reduction in poverty in human history.

https://ee.stanford.edu/~hellman/Breakthrough/book/pdfs/axelrod.pdf

 

[joao leite]

Hell yeah I did, what’re you going to do about it lol. You triggered little clown.

In all seriousness, I’m not even taking a shot at teachers. I’m taking a shot at non STEM college professors. Everything they do is theoretical. Most don’t have practical experience. This guy is an adjunct so we know he’s either retired or can’t get back into his field.

Two roles I respect are teachers and police. I’ve always advocated higher pay for public school teachers as it’s such a critical role.

What you have said is that those who teach don't know what theyre doing, maybe if you don't think like that you shouldn't say that, but that's what you said, and that includes all teachers that have ever existed of course, since your quote does not specify.

 

[PeterParker1000]

What you have said is that those who teach don't know what theyre doing, maybe if you don't think like that you shouldn't say that, but that's what you said, and that includes all teachers that have ever existed of course, since your quote does not specify.

Just shut up. I tried to give a fair response. don’t have time for your victomhood garbage.

 

[joao leite]

Just shut up. I tried to give a fair response. don’t have time for your victomhood garbage.

Meaning you have no arguments to defend your stupid quote about teaching being somehow a bad thing.

 

[PeterParker1000]

Meaning you have no arguments to defend your stupid quote about teaching being somehow a bad thing.

Teaching is respectable but you have to be good at it. We can’t have idiots like you going off and becoming teachers and then say it’s a good thing.

I just don’t respect your intelligence man. There are people on here who I disagree with all the time but they come off as smart. Just piss off buddy.

 

[richaceg]

Who knows. Maybe he inherited money like Trump did?

did he inherit millions and turn it to billions?

 

[richaceg]

another day another meltdown over trump...

 

[jalimon]

did he inherit millions and turn it to billions?

Should have put everything in the SP500, he would have been a billionaire by now.

 

[joao leite]

Teaching is respectable but you have to be good at it. We can’t have idiots like you going off and becoming teachers and then say it’s a good thing.

I just don’t respect your intelligence man. There are people on here who I disagree with all the time but they come off as smart. Just piss off buddy.

I don't care what you think about me. You said that everyone who teaches doesn't have the ability to do it themselves, doesn't matter if you rephrase it again, a smart person would admit to being wrong.