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Trump will sign funding bill, declare a national emergency, McConnell says

Frankfooter

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That is the problem with you kids, these days. You run to the founding document when you think it will work for you-like McCabe trying a coup based on the 25th Amendment. Other than that, the Constitution might as well not exist. Unfortunately, for you, Trump is on a solid legal ground, but don't worry, the SCOTUS will get a say, too.
Its not a coup.
Its using the constitutional amendments as they were written to be used.
 

bver_hunter

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Not true. Pelosi wanted to give Trump ZERO dollars for his wall: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/31/nancy-pelosi-border-wall-1139308
The $1.6 Billion approved by Pelosi before the shutdown included the money for General security plus border barriers / fences. No different now except that. the figure was down to $1.35B. Why do you think that it pissed out this stupid individual:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sea...ge-deal-and-stick-the-wall-down-their-throats

 

Phil C. McNasty

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The $1.6 Billion approved by Pelosi before the shutdown included the money for General security plus border barriers / fences. No different now except that. the figure was down to $1.35B

No thats not true. Pelosi didnt want to give Trump any money for his wall.

Nice redhead btw
 

jcpro

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Its not a coup.
Its using the constitutional amendments as they were written to be used.
Yes, if the President was incapacitated. And, in any case, it's not a job of a civil servant to initiate it.
 

Frankfooter

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Yes, if the President was incapacitated. And, in any case, it's not a job of a civil servant to initiate it.
You calling the head of the FBI a civil servant?


Trump's negotiating tactics totally failed.
He would have gotten a better deal if he took the Dec funding deal instead of refusing it and forcing the shutdown.
Total failure.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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oldjones

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That is the problem with you kids, these days. You run to the founding document when you think it will work for you-like McCabe trying a coup based on the 25th Amendment. Other than that, the Constitution might as well not exist. Unfortunately, for you, Trump is on a solid legal ground, but don't worry, the SCOTUS will get a say, too.
Tell that to the strict constructionists Donny appointed to replace Scalia and Kennedy. The lawyers in his 4000 and some lawsuits also told him he was on solid legal ground, and he lost a good few of those over the years. It's what he pays them to say.

I'd put my money on the actual judges deciding in favour of the C-word, a law they'll still have to interpret and enforce long after Donny's a sad memory. And if they say he can rule by decree like the tinpot dictator he aspires to be, they 're savvy enough to know so can any Democratic whacko when it's their turn at Donny's job. Some elected Republicans still have brains to think that far ahead, as well.

Even though he's pretending this decades old sore-spot he did nothing about for two years is now an 'emergency' (because it threatens the US government with shutdown?) I'd also bet that a good few GOP Senators have enough integrity to insist that it is Congress who decidess what money gets spent how, and where. Not a guy who spends his days in the White House whacking golf balls at a $50,000 computer-screen.

That is what the Constitution clearly says, and Congress has had to legalize the actions of previous Presidents who actually did face real emergencies. If they did not, such massive mis-appropriation of funds would most definitely qualify as a crime or misdemeanour high enough to trigger impeachment.

Anyone think this Congress will be swift to legalize his crack-brained call?
 

jcpro

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Tell that to the strict constructionists Donny appointed to replace Scalia and Kennedy. The lawyers in his 4000 and some lawsuits also told him he was on solid legal ground, and he lost a good few of those over the years. It's what he pays them to say.

I'd put my money on the actual judges deciding in favour of the C-word, a law they'll still have to interpret and enforce long after Donny's a sad memory. And if they say he can rule by decree like the tinpot dictator he aspires to be, they 're savvy enough to know so can any Democratic whacko when it's their turn at Donny's job. Some elected Republicans still have brains to think that far ahead, as well.

Even though he's pretending this decades old sore-spot he did nothing about for two years is now an 'emergency' (because it threatens the US government with shutdown?) I'd also bet that a good few GOP Senators have enough integrity to insist that it is Congress who decidess what money gets spent how, and where. Not a guy who spends his days in the White House whacking golf balls at a $50,000 computer-screen.

That is what the Constitution clearly says, and Congress has had to legalize the actions of previous Presidents who actually did face real emergencies. If they did not, such massive mis-appropriation of funds would most definitely qualify as a crime or misdemeanour high enough to trigger impeachment.

Anyone think this Congress will be swift to legalize his crack-brained call?
Incoherent. United States is currently under 31 national emergencies. Look it up.
 

wigglee

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The Chief Executive has the Constitutional power specifically assigned to him to invoke an emergency. So, there goes that argument.
not for a fake and fabricated "emergency", just to get aroung Congress.
 

Frankfooter

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Incoherent. .
That's a good description of Trump's 'speech' today.
Some mighty fine orating going on there!

Trump claimed:
Shinzo Abe of Japan nominated him for a Nobel Peace Prize
Obama told him he planned a 'very big war' on the Korean peninsula
That the emergency wasn't an emergency, he just wants money faster
That his own Homeland security stats were no good.

He's lost it.
(if he ever had it to begin with)

Trump's Rose Garden Fiasco Was a Commercial for the 25th Amendment
 

apoptygma

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Incoherent. United States is currently under 31 national emergencies. Look it up.
Except the orange loser admitted that he could do it another way... but he wants to do it faster this way... NOT an emergency... try again.

"I didn't need to do this, but I'd rather do it much faster".
Real emergency, huh?

What a loser... him and his apologists.
And he's spending the weekend in Mar a Lago... during a national emergency!!!
Yuge Bigly Loser!
 

jcpro

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not for a fake and fabricated "emergency", just to get aroung Congress.
Can we be honest, for once? The Democrats made a bet that denying Trump his wall will separate him from his voters. And they are right. The illegal immigration is his signature policy. Defeat him on the wall and he's going down in 2020. So, even though, they voted for securing the border in the past, the same Pelosi, Shumner, Obama and the rest will go to any length to prevent Trump from fulfilling his election promise. It's 100% politics and it has nothing to do with anything else. And Trump knows that, too. Everything else is just wind and piss.
 
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