Trump up 34% in early Florida voting

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Then, when you were told the alleged can thrower wasn't even from Toronto, you tried to turn the tables and call Toronto low class because the people around him didn't put him in a rear naked choke.
Actually my criticism of the people around him was in post 1 of that thread. Go look.
 

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Actually my criticism of the people around him was in post 1 of that thread. Go look.
Toronto is a city of LAW & ORDER, and that's why private citizens didn't upon themselves to apprehend the criminal like you suggested they should have. They're not the police.

Not surprising since you're not a fan of law & order. You're the same person that approves of massive criminality like illegal immigration to the tune of 20+ million illegals. Then you call those who disapprove of such mega unprecendented levels of criminal behavior racists and xenophobes. Bizarre.
 

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LOL @ Trump's campaign. The election isn't rigged, they're just incompetent.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...trump-campaign-left-out-of-alaska-voter-guide

Trump campaign left out of Alaska voter guide

Alaskans won’t find any information about Donald Trump in their voter’s guide this year, after the GOP presidential nominee's campaign failed to submit biographical data and a candidate statement. The voter guide, which hit mailboxes this weekend, includes candidate statements from Democrats Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine, Green Party nominee Jill Stein and her running mate, Ajamu Baraka, the Constitution Party nominee and an independent candidate. But state elections officials say the Trump campaign and Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson did not submit materials ahead of an Aug. 30 deadline

:deadhorse: I just want this incessant and tedious campaigning to be OVER.
 

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Toronto is a city of LAW & ORDER, and that's why private citizens didn't upon themselves to apprehend the criminal like you suggested they should have. They're not the police.

Not surprising since you're not a fan of law & order. You're the same person that approves of massive criminality like illegal immigration to the tune of 20+ million illegals. Then you call those who disapprove of such mega unprecendented levels of criminal behavior racists and xenophobes. Bizarre.
Citizens arrests are law and order. Maybe you should learn something about the law before posting about it.

If they didn't feel like doing that so least they could have snapped his photo with their phones.

Nope.

They did nothing. He just walked away.
 

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I'd be tempted to offer to bet you over Trump's chances, since you are so confident.
But after moviefan weaselled out of the bet he lost, I'm not betting anyone else on terb
I actually dont think Trump is gonna be able to win this election.
He's got 90% of the media against him, its a miracle he's even been able to keep up Hilllary.

Right now Trump is up in Florida however. 265,657 to 259,824 (or 5,833 votes).

https://countyballotfiles.elections...eports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats
 

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I actually dont think Trump is gonna be able to win this election.
He's got 90% of the media against him, its a miracle he's even been able to keep up Hilllary.

Right now Trump is up in Florida however. 265,657 to 259,824 (or 5,833 votes).

https://countyballotfiles.elections...eports/AbsenteeEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats

Which makes you 100% more realistic then the orange guy.
CBC has a good article on how Trump leans on faulty polls, with details in why one is so wrong.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-uselection-polls-rigged-1.3808360
 

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Which makes you 100% more realistic then the orange guy
Trump does have an outside chance, but its against all odds IMO.

He has to win Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania. He might win Fla and Ohio, but Pa is out of reach.
So if he doesnt win Pa he has to win a large amount of the other smaller swing States like NC, Nevada, Iowa ....etc.

Its gonna be extremely tough.
I dont think he can do it, but the polls were wrong about Brexit and Justin Trudeau as well, so who knows
 

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Citizens arrests are law and order. Maybe you should learn something about the law before posting about it.

If they didn't feel like doing that so least they could have snapped his photo with their phones.

Nope.

They did nothing. He just walked away.
Citizen arrest lol. Not very bright to try that on a drunk idiot. The smart thing to do is exactly what they did. It's a public forum with tons of cameras in a stadium of thousands broadcast to millions. He wasn't getting away with it.
 

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Which makes you 100% more realistic then the orange guy.
CBC has a good article on how Trump leans on faulty polls, with details in why one is so wrong.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-uselection-polls-rigged-1.3808360
As usual, CBC makes the mistake of identifying a good point - that there are reasons why many polls are not reliable - and then fails to acknowledge that the problem affects polling relied upon by both sides. If Trump thinks he has polling that is infallible, he is surely wrong. However, if the Clinton camp thinks the NBC, Monmouth or other such polls are reliable, they're also kidding themselves.

People: a) have stopped answering polls, particularly when they are aware of the controversy surrounding the choices (and there is no question that supporting Trump is seen by the media as the more controversial choice, and b) no longer feel compelled to tell pollsters the truth. Gone are the days when people trusted strangers who call them on the phone.

Further, turnout is going to be a big part of this election, just as it was in Brexit. Yes, the Clinton camp has thrown a lot more money into its ground team, but the Trump supporters have been highly motivated by their perception of collusion between the Clinton campaign and the media, and were highly agitated with the course of government before Trump even ran. I would predict much higher turnout rates for Trump supporters as well as much higher rates of voter registration problems for Clinton supporters. Will it be enough to offset what most polls are saying? I think that's impossible to predict, just as it was for those following Brexit.
 

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As usual, CBC makes the mistake of identifying a good point - that there are reasons why many polls are not reliable - and then fails to acknowledge that the problem affects polling relied upon by both sides. If Trump thinks he has polling that is infallible, he is surely wrong. However, if the Clinton camp thinks the NBC, Monmouth or other such polls are reliable, they're also kidding themselves.

People: a) have stopped answering polls, particularly when they are aware of the controversy surrounding the choices (and there is no question that supporting Trump is seen by the media as the more controversial choice, and b) no longer feel compelled to tell pollsters the truth. Gone are the days when people trusted strangers who call them on the phone.

Further, turnout is going to be a big part of this election, just as it was in Brexit. Yes, the Clinton camp has thrown a lot more money into its ground team, but the Trump supporters have been highly motivated by their perception of collusion between the Clinton campaign and the media, and were highly agitated with the course of government before Trump even ran. I would predict much higher turnout rates for Trump supporters as well as much higher rates of voter registration problems for Clinton supporters. Will it be enough to offset what most polls are saying? I think that's impossible to predict, just as it was for those following Brexit.
Polls have major issues, the advent of cells has killed the general premise and they are less reliable.
I give you that much, which is why checking sites like 538 are worthwhile, as they look at all the polls and the trends and try to make sense of what's good info and what's noise.
Trump is just looking for self-confirmation and can't or won't do the due diligence to see what's crap or not.


Best article of the election so far?
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-fury-and-failure-of-donald-trump-w444943
 

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People: a) have stopped answering polls, particularly when they are aware of the controversy surrounding the choices (and there is no question that supporting Trump is seen by the media as the more controversial choice, and b) no longer feel compelled to tell pollsters the truth. Gone are the days when people trusted strangers who call them on the phone
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought polling was done by machine.
Vote for Clinton press 1.
Vote for Trump press 2.
Etc......etc.

Or is it still done by person to person??

Further, turnout is going to be a big part of this election, just as it was in Brexit. Yes, the Clinton camp has thrown a lot more money into its ground team, but the Trump supporters have been highly motivated by their perception of collusion between the Clinton campaign and the media, and were highly agitated with the course of government before Trump even ran. I would predict much higher turnout rates for Trump supporters as well as much higher rates of voter registration problems for Clinton supporters. Will it be enough to offset what most polls are saying? I think that's impossible to predict, just as it was for those following Brexit
Totally agree on this. Turnout is what might win him the election
 

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Citizens arrests are law and order. Maybe you should learn something about the law before posting about it.

If they didn't feel like doing that so least they could have snapped his photo with their phones.

Nope.

They did nothing. He just walked away.
Fuji, this is just dumb. In a crowd situation like that getting involved in any altercation will result in everyone getting arrested and sort it out later situation. With a lot of he said he said.

And the good Samaritan ends up in lock up and misses the game. With no guarantee of being believed. That's the reality. The police don't want you to do it either. It's more likely to escalate the situation then solve it.

Sometimes I truly wonder where you get your ideas. But considering some of the things you say I think you really don't get out much.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought polling was done by machine.
Vote for Clinton press 1.
Vote for Trump press 2.
Etc......etc.

Or is it still done by person to person??
Some are mechanical, some are not. Many people refuse to answer even mechanical polls. They don't trust how the information will be used (or they can't be bothered to spend the time answering the questions of a machine).
 

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I think it is clearly a case of a vocal minority. It's the same thing we have here on TERB.
Do you spin around until you're dizzy before you post here?

You have NO reliable way of knowing whether: a) the majority of TERB POSTERS support Trump or Clinton, b) the majority of TERB MEMBERS (most of which read but never post) support Trump or Clinton, or c) which side of the poster debate is more "vocal" (post count, post length? - if it's post count, whichever side Fuji is on is ALWAYS the most vocal).

Put another way, your perception that your view is a majority view is a pure guess, not a verifiable reality. The fact that it seems to be important to you to hold a majority view might be something that's holding you back from serious consideration of alternative views.
 

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Do you spin around until you're dizzy before you post here?

You have NO reliable way of knowing whether: a) the majority of TERB POSTERS support Trump or Clinton, b) the majority of TERB MEMBERS (most of which read but never post) support Trump or Clinton, or c) which side of the poster debate is more "vocal" (post count, post length? - if it's post count, whichever side Fuji is on is ALWAYS the most vocal).

Put another way, your perception that your view is a majority view is a pure guess, not a verifiable reality. The fact that it seems to be important to you to hold a majority view might be something that's holding you back from serious consideration of alternative views.
And you have better information?
 

Bud Plug

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And you have better information?
I'm not the one claiming who is the majority, or who is more vocal (although I should really claim the Fuji side is more vocal, because the evidence is overwhelming).

I honestly believe that it is impossible to determine the majority view at this point in this election, and that people who claim to be able to do that are campaigning, not opining.
 
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