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Trump The Most Unpopular President Elect in Modern Times

bver_hunter

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Trump once again is elected without the support of the 50% majority of Americans. Of course all the fake news like Fox etc have stated that he received a huge mandate.
In reality:

Over the weekend, as California, Oregon, Washington, and other Western states moved closer to completing their counts, Trump’s percentage of the popular vote fell below 50 percent. And his margin of victory looks to be much smaller than initially anticipated. In fact, of all the 59 presidential elections since the nation’s founding, it appears that—after all of the 2024 votes are counted—only five popular vote winners in history will have prevailed by smaller percentage margins than Trump.

Trump’s popular-vote advantage has declined steadily since election night. As of Monday afternoon, Trump was at 49.94 percent, while Harris was at 48.26, according to the authoritative Cook Political Report’s tracking of results from official sources in states across the country. And we can expect that the Republican’s total will only continue to tick downward as heavily Democratic states on the West Coast finalize their vote tallies.

Trump’s still ahead of Harris in the popular vote. He also maintains a lead in the decisive, though absurdly antidemocratic, Electoral College— slightly less than Barack Obama’s in 2012, slightly more Joe Biden’s in 2020—based on a pattern of wins in battleground states. So, the failure to win a majority won’t cost Trump the presidency. But he’s lost his ability to suggest that he trounced the Democrat. In fact, she’s now trailing him by just 1.68 percent of the vote.

Let’s put this in perspective: Trump is winning a lower percent of the popular vote this year than Biden did in 2020 (51.3), Obama in 2012 (51.1), Obama in 2008 (52.9), George W. Bush in 2004 (50.7), George H.W. Bush in 1988 (53.2), Ronald Reagan in 1984 (58.8), Reagan in 1980 (50.7), or Jimmy Carter in 1976 (50.1). And, of course, Trump numbers are way below those of the presidents who won what could reasonably be described as “unprecedented and powerful” mandates, such as Richard Nixon’s 60.7 percent in 1972, Lyndon Johnson’s 61.1 percent in 1964, or Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s 60.8 percent. As Trump’s percentage continues to slide, he’ll fall below the thresholds achieved by most presidents in the past century.

Harris, on the other hand, is looking like a much stronger finisher than she did on election night. In fact, the Democrat now has a higher percentage of the popular vote than Presidents Trump in 2016 (46.1), Bush in 2000 (47.9), Clinton in 1992 (43), or Nixon in 1968 (43.4). She has also performed significantly better than recent major-party nominees such as Trump in 2020 (46.8), Trump in 2016 (48.2), Mitt Romney in 2012 (47.2), John McCain in 2008 (45.7), George W. Bush in 2000 (47.9), Bob Dole in 1996 (40.7), George H.W. Bush in 1992 (37.4), Michael Dukakis in 1988 (45.6), Walter Mondale (40.6), Carter in 1980 (41), or Gerald Ford in 1976 (48).

Yes, some of those historic results were influenced by the presence of strong third-party contenders. But most were not. And the bottom line is that the gap between Trump and Harris is narrower than the difference between major-party contenders in the vast majority of American presidential races.

Why make note of all the presidents who ran better than Trump? Why discuss the narrowness of his advantage over Harris? Why consider, in addition, that the Republican majorities in the House and Senate will be among the narrowest in modern American history? Because it puts the 2024 election results in perspective—and, in doing so, gives members of both parties an understanding of how to respond when Trump claims that an unappealing nominee or policy should be accepted out of deference to his “powerful” mandate.

Trump’s victory was not of “epic” or “historic” proportions. There was no “landslide” for the once and future president, as Fox News suggested repeatedly in postelection headlines. The election did not produce the “decisive victory” for Trump that the Associated Press referred to in the immediate aftermath of the voting. Nor did it yield the “resounding defeat” for Harris that AP reported at the same time.

That won’t matter to Trump, who claimed a mandate even when he lost the 2016 popular vote by almost 3 million ballots. Four years later, Trump refused to accept his defeat by more than 7 million votes, and denied that majority support for Biden in the 2020 election amounted to anything akin to a mandate.

These numbers are better for the Democrats than what was recorded on election night, and that many pundits continue to suggest. That does not mean, however, that a clearer picture of the results should dissuade the Democrats from looking for ways to reform their party. Even if the margins are narrower than initially imagined, it is still the case that the party failed to beat Trump and a Republican Party that embraces the destructive politics not just of its presidential candidate but of the billionaire class. This is a time for serious reflection on mistakes that were made, and on challenges going forward, as part of a needed examination of how to build a multiracial, multiethnic working-class coalition that can win decisively, and not just at the presidential level but also in the struggle to regain control of the House and Senate in 2026.

What the numbers do provide Democrats and progressives, however, is an argument against despair and surrender, especially as the debate opens over Trump’s cabinet picks, judicial nominees, and legislative priorities.

“Research suggests that mandate claims, despite their tenuous connection to reality, can be effective in affecting legislative behavior,” notes Julia Azari, the associate professor of political science at Marquette University who authored Delivering the People’s Message: The Changing Politics of the Presidential Mandate. “Political science studies show that legislators will change their behavior in response to the perception of a mandate election—but only for so long.”
The first months of Trump’s presidency will go a long way toward defining the character of his second term. Democrats and a handful of thoughtful Republicans have the potential to temper Trump’s worst excesses, and to assure that the constitutionally mandated system of checks and balances is maintained. When Trump pushes back against congressional oversight by claiming that his appointments and policies reflect the will of the electorate, members of the House and Senate can counter that specious claim by explaining that the majority of the American people did not vote for him.
 

NotADcotor

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Trump once again is elected without the support of the 50% majority of Americans. Of course all the fake news like Fox etc have stated that he received a huge mandate.
In reality:



Only about 30 percent of the electorate voted for Trump and a wee bit less voted for Harris. Much like during the American Revolution about a 1/3 couldn't be bothered either way for reasons we don't know.
 

bver_hunter

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Only about 30 percent of the electorate voted for Trump and a wee bit less voted for Harris. Much like during the American Revolution about a 1/3 couldn't be bothered either way for reasons we don't know.
Yes, but the ones that did cast their vote did not give Trump the "landslide", and in fact the popular vote count is one of the narrowest margins.
In a way the Polls got it right when they mentioned that it would be neck and neck and is within the margin of error.
No doubt that The Electoral college is the most undemocratic part of the Constitution when it does not reflect the margin of votes cast!!
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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This analysis paralysis isn't helpful.
Fact is more people voted for Trump than they did for Harris.
Fact is Trump won a solid victory over Harris.
Yes it is not a landslide but a convincing win.
No point complaining about the electoral college.
Its how all presidents have been elected.
 

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Only about 30 percent of the electorate voted for Trump and a wee bit less voted for Harris. Much like during the American Revolution about a 1/3 couldn't be bothered either way for reasons we don't know.
Yes, dems stayed home because they couldn't vote for Holocaust Harris.
 

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Frankfooter

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Yeah right, he's so unpopular that he took the popular vote, the senate, the House and the presidency. You guys are desperate and post bull shit.
He won by 2% and only because the dems decided to support genocide instead of voters.
 

bver_hunter

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IN YOUR FACE BVER, TRUMP WON.
Of course, Trump won, though only by a smaller margin, and the fact is that he is the most unpopular President Elect. All the facts are laid out there!
But, UNLIKE THE RIGHTIES, WHO CAME OUT WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND THAT STUPID INSURRECTION, THE DEMOCRATS CONCEDED WITH FAR MORE GRACE. SUCK UP TO THAT HUNGRY AND HUNGRIER!!

No wonder that this unpopularity also reflects his extremist picks who have skeletons in their closets such as rape, child incest, and hush money........sounds familiar!!
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Of course, Trump won, though only by a smaller margin, and the fact is that he is the most unpopular President Elect. All the facts are laid out there!
But, UNLIKE THE RIGHTIES, WHO CAME OUT WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND THAT STUPID INSURRECTION, THE DEMOCRATS CONCEDED WITH FAR MORE GRACE. SUCK UP TO THAT HUNGRY AND HUNGRIER!!

No wonder that this unpopularity also reflects his extremist picks who have skeletons in their closets such as rape, child incest, and hush money........sounds familiar!!
He is not unpopular at all.
He is exactly what the right wanted.
 
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